Linehan: Griner’s punch is a black eye for Baylor
I knew this fight was getting good when a security guard dropped his walkie-talkie on the table next to me and dashed onto the court.
I saw Ashlee Roberson being held back – or was she pulling a teammate out of the fight? I saw four Baylor Bears still wearing their warm-ups rush onto the floor. And I saw Jordan Barncastle jog not toward the bench, but through a tunnel and out of sight.
My understanding – from a very reliable but unnameable source who was paying better attention than I was – is that Barncastle accidentally hooked Baylor giant Brittney Griner with her elbow for a foul. Taking things a little too personally, Griner responded by slugging Barncastle in the face.
The result? A bloody nose for Barncastle, an ejection for Griner and a technical foul on Tech’s bench.
To think, at halftime the most exciting aspect of the game was the nice old lady who turned 101 years old on Wednesday.
What surprised me most, though, was what Baylor coach Kim Mulkey said after the game.
“It was ugly for women’s basketball,” Mulkey said. “It was ugly that coaches were on the court, that benches cleared, and I will take care of that with my team.”
Not to be the girl in the room, but why is it ugly for women’s basketball? Would it have been less ugly if it had been Ekpe Udoh slugging Darko Cohadarevic?
After the game, I watched the replay from two angles and Griner committed at least two fouls against Barncastle before hooking her elbow, to which Barncastle responded by swinging her backward. That’s when Griner, never even knocked off her feet, responded with a roundhouse punch.
That’s inappropriate regardless of the players’ gender.
Personally, I was most impressed with the actions of Roberson, who jumped to Barncastle’s defense, lunging, perhaps throwing a few choice words in Griner’s direction, but never swinging a fist.
Tech coach Kristy Curry stopped Roberson before she could answer a question about the incident. But Roberson later explained just what might have been behind jumping to the defense of Barncastle, a sophomore.
“We’ve been a family for the longest time,” Roberson said. “These young kids … Me, Jordan (Murphree) and Tilmila (Martin) are like their parents. We just want to protect them.”
Curry told a story about observing a team huddle earlier in the season after which the players chanted “family” before leaving the court. On Wednesday, the family rushing to Barncastle’s defense included a pregnant assistant coach, the entire bench, and a few men’s basketball and football players who poised themselves just off the court, but never stepped in.
That’s emotional, but not overly so. It’s not measured, but much more appropriate than a sucker punch.
NCAA regulations suggest Griner, as the only player ejected, be suspended a minimum of one game with further reprimand possible from the Big 12 office and the team. Mulkey already said she will deal with Griner on an internal basis.
While Barncastle looks to have a broken nose, Griner and the entire Baylor program leave with a black eye. What happens if Barncastle is out the rest of the season and Griner is back for the Big 12 tournament?
Mulkey might think swinging punches is bad for women’s basketball. I’d say it’s pretty ugly for the Lady Bears, and that’s about it.
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Alittle dramatic wouldn’t you say? The tech player had one mission and that was to get under the skin of Griner. Fine – she accomplished what she was sent in to do. She’s got the black eye, not Baylor.
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Oh my – you’re kidding, right, MythBuster? You’re delusional then, if nothing else!
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Courtney you are clearly a homer and not remotely objective. You equate fighting for position ( which you termed as “fouls”) with locking someone’s elbow and swinging them like it’s roller derby time. The Tech player was clearly out of line and should have immediately received a flagrant. I would have applied an eye for an eye as well. The only regrettable part is that Griner hooked the punch instead of throwing the straight right. And in case you’re wondering I have no personal interest in this. Rock Chalk.
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@Chris Brummm
The only regrettable part is that Barncastle doesn’t get a chance to whup
your smart mouth punk ass. And I know she could. I’d pay to watch.
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Sorry, but there’s no way you whip a person around like that on an “unintentional” elbow hook. Simply not possible. Griner definitely came back too harshly, but there’s no way that Barncastle should be completely absolved of responsibility.
The real black eye in this game goes to the officials. They let the scrapping between Barncastle and Griner go way too far, and this is where we end up.
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An excellent column, well written and hardly homer-ish. Basketball players, women and men, get arms hooked up as a matter of course, and sometimes fouls are committed inthe haste to be free and unentangled. That’s just part of the game. Tossing a roundhouse is something off the street, not D1 ball. Griner’s history should also be investigated, as some are reporting that she also decked an opposing player in a high school game. And Mulkey may take care of it internally, but she’d better do something that the conference and Tech Coach Curry can accept; she stands to lose respect for her leadership skills.
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Would loved to have seen Darko KO that she-male.
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It’s sad this happen, really would have wished we won. Britney griner sounds like a man! Have u heard her talk? It’s scary. I hope she leaves the team
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Seems like Tech has been involved in a number of punching incidents over the years. Hmmmm, were you this upset before?
This is basketball, and Griner did what she needed to do. The threat she now poses for all of the other less talented players who think pushing and shoving her around will definitely have them thinking twice before the act. It is strategically brilliant, even if done out of emotion. Go on girl.
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My opinion is that of someone who wants Curry-Curry out of here on the 3:10. Griner was being fouled. Happens all day every day. Griner threw a punch that landed hard. Griner is in the wrong. Since it’s the womens game, Griner should be suspended for the season. Kim’s remarks were pure class–in keeping with Kim. Now then, when does the 3:10 leave?
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To all those who want to argue the symantics of this story,Courtney has one thing right… YOU CAN NEVER THROW A PUNCH IN A GAME!!! Arms are thrown to gain position… kids are pushed and grab jerseys to gain an advantage… but when a player throws a punch, they are acting in RAGE AND ANGER…. not to gain an advantage on the court.
If Baylor has any class, they will learn a lesson fron Oregon. They suspended their star running back for almost the entire season for throwing a punch after the Boise State game. (Didn’t Oregon go on to win the Pac 10?)
Anyone who defends Griner in any way… is either a blind Baylor fan or someone who has never played or coached above 3rd grade Church league.
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Elbow locking and the flinging of players are hardly uncommon. They happen routinely as players try to free themselves to move. By general observation, I have yet to see one of those signaled as a flagrant foul (rarely a regular foul), in any women’s game that one has occurred in. But that’s beside the point.
The point is: Brittney Griner’s behavior was unacceptable. It doesn’t matter if Barncastle threw her to the ground (which she clearly did not). At no time should you ever react to a foul by coming up swinging. It showed a complete immaturity and lack of the ability to control anger.
I am not a fan of Kim Mulkey, and she clearly needs to discipline her player more substantially than the NCAA 1-game suspension for a punch. That is where I disagree with her postgame commentary: she isn’t going to be able to deal with this “in-house.” She’s going to need to make a real statement on what was a disgusting act of anger that has no place on a basketball court.
That said, the portion of her quote about it being ugly for women’s basketball is accurate. Just as it would have been ugly for men’s basketball, if that’s what they were playing. Or soccer, if that’s the sport. Or little league baseball, if that happens to be the game. You put too much emphasis on the “women’s basketball” part and took away more meaning than was ever intended, I’m quite sure. The point is that the punch has no place in any sport, period.
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hey if this happened in a men’s game the suspension would be more than 1 game. griner is a punk / thug. she should be suspended for the rest of this year and baylor should have to pay for ALL medical costs pertaining to barncastle.
if this happened off the court, the baylor b**** would be charged with felony assault.
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Maybe if Griner hadn’t elbowed Barncastle and gotten tangled up in the process, she wouldn’t have gotten thrown to the ground like an Aunt Jemima rag doll. Suspension for the remainder of the season is the only acceptable punishment. Watch the Tennessee game from the first of the year, Griner threw fist in that one too.
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gotta love the Baylor fans running over here making excuses for the disgusting actions of thier player.
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Officials let this get out of hand, Griner needs to learn self control, she is a talented player as is Barncastle,punching another player is unacceptable and apropiate action taken soon.
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Gee Mike, I don’t think Darko (Can’t Jump A Lick) could KO a ham sandwich. You’re right tho’, maybe he should have been on the girls’ team to protect them………..
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Totally agree with Frustrated Fan…..you hit it on the head. This started with refs failing to do their job.
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This is just a deleted scene out of JUWANNA MAN
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When your that ugly (Griner)…you tend to act out your sexual frustrations.
Can’t wait for football.
GO TECH!! 2010
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A little different take perhaps. Can’t condone the punch but……..Griner had 21 points with nearly 10 minutes to play and Barncastle only 5 and getting pounded like a rented mule. Barncastle probably out-weighs Griner 20-30 pounds but still can’t get rebound or scoring position. After getting owned in Waco and now here, frustrations had to be on the rise. The refs should have been more tuned into what was going on under the baskets. Curry will probably use this as an excuse to explain why the team didn’t make the post-season. She has an excuse for about everything else; too many underclassmen, too much of this, too little of that, etc. Tech lost the game AND the fight but Baylor lost some respect.
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Get it over it. Barncastle did not “accidentally” hook Griner, she did it on purpose dont be so naive. I guess losing all of the time to the Bears makes you bitter. Sic’em Bears!
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It is stunning and sad, although not surprising, how most of the responses here are personal attacks on posters and players from cyber-thugs, who in all likelihood are cowards in real life, and how few even address the situation.
“The only regrettable part is that Barncastle doesn’t get a chance to whup
your smart mouth punk ass. And I know she could. I’d pay to watch.”
Can’t BearThugs huh? Well it sounds like you can bear them just fine to me. Quite an intelligent response by the way.
BurgerBoy your response was actually intelligent, but I beg to differ. Players do get tangled up all the time, but when was the last time you saw a player at any level arm whip another player when they got tangled up. I’ll be willing to bet (if you’re being truthful) never. I played basketball at every level through college ( and I’m sure you can figure out where) and I’ve never had anything close to this happen and for the author of the article to call this action “unintentional” is not just homer-ish it is down right offensive and ignorant (please note I am referring to the comment not the writer). The thuggish behavior was instigated by Ms. Barncastle and when Ms. Griner responds in kind all of a sudden she is the “thug”. How convenient.
txtechdad: If this happened on the street Griner , the “baylor b****”, would have been justified, as this was an act of self defense and Barncastle would have gotten the beat down –well, that she got and then would have been arrested for assault.
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Look at this from every angle, I did!! I have DVR and I replayed and replayed this out over and over, just to be sure I was seeing it right. Baylor’s outside player was about to shoot a 3 pointer, Barncastle and the SheHe were battling for possible rebound position inside. Barncastle stopped the 3 point attempt by commiting a hard foul on SheHe and if you look close enough you do see the ref call the foul and whistle, and Barncastle walk to position herself at theline, at the same time you see SheHe come towards Barncastle with FULL INTENTIONS and FORCE and punch Barncastle…. and the rest unfolds. SheHe ignored the whistle and went around a player to get to Barncastle, this was a flat out assault on Barncastle and SheHe should not be allowed to play the remainder of the season, PERIOD!!!
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Two thoughts here.
Greiner deserves to at least miss the Big 12 Tourney, Baylor looks like a lock to play at least two. Her actions are inexcusable but fall a short of Blount’s from Oregon so a suspension for the remainder of the eyar seems excessive. Remember she didn’t go after any fans and leave the field of play screaming and shouting having to be restrained by the police.
Barncastle is not always an angel, I’ve seen her play a few times this year and she relies on a very physical game and seems to have more than her fair share of physical fouls. I would not be surprised if she doesn’t get in a few more slightly less physical altercations over the course of her career at Tech.
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Bottom line—you do NOT throw punches in any sport except kickboxing, boxing, and their ilk. Griner has disgraced her team and Baylor. She overreacted and crossed a line. This is basketball not a street fight. Her coaches should have talked to the refs about what was going on on the court, but a player can NEVER take things into his/her own hands. Griner has been throwing her weight around all year–so if she got some of her own medicine then too bad. The refs and coaches have caught to catch it and call it…but you NEVER punch another player…PERIOD!
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Sic ‘Em……………really? Since the Big XII was started how many times has Baylor beat Tech in Football? Still looking? Look harder…….google it…….wikipedia it……I’ll tell you………..0. Your comment about losing making people bitter must be firsthand experience. That’s funny right there! I don’t care who you are.
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Barncastle= 1gm suspension, Griner= done for the season. This is how it should be handled.
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Look at the video closely.
GRINER ELBOWED BARNCASTLE IN THE SHOULDER FIRST AND GOT TANGLED UP DOING IT.
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The author of this article is uninformed or she is attempting to distort what really happened.
Watch the video. There is NO WAY that someone can say that Jorden Barncastle “accidentally” did anything. She purposely grabbed Griner and attempted to throw her to the floor. That is 100% obvious.
Griner then did something inappropriate. She should, and will, be punished.
Barncastle also did something inappropriate. She instigated a physical confrontation with Griner. That was no accident on her part. It was intentional.
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If Tech had Griner they would not use demeaning terms like She/He .
Just comment on the incident, not your feelings on the kid. I don’t know a singlr women’s program that wouldn’t want Griner, except mayge UConn!!!!
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I also always find it laughable that all of these so-called writers, commentators, and analysts will always blame the person who reacted, talking about how bad of a person she is but they excuse the ones like Jordan Barncastle who sparked the whole incident in the first place. She clearly grabbed Griner’s arm and violently slung her around. It was the same thing in men’s NCAA football with Legarrette Blount. The person who sparked the whole incident was Byron Hout the same way Jordan Barncastle sparked this incident. While it can be argued that both Griner and Blount could have ignored the agressors in the altercations, the incidents would have never happened if Barncastle and Hout would have shown some class, which they did not. But of course, all of these mainstream media people will always blame the victims for reacting. I wonder if they would feel the same way if the skin colors of the aggressors and victims were reversed? I doubt it.
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I am grateful to see that I am not the only person who believes that the incident was escalated by not only the lack of organization and control on the officials part but also by little miss Texas Tech. Clearly, Griner shouldn’t have reacted the way she did but in the heat of the moment people…what would you do?? The was a flagrant foul on Barncastle. POINT BLANK. Its like my mama always said…dont dish it out if you can’t take it back!!!!!
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Courtney,
Barncastle “accidentally” hooked Griner is just laughable. What Griner did was childish, plain and simple, but your credibility to “report the story” just went out the window with this paragraph:
” My understanding – from a very reliable but unnameable source who was paying better attention than I was – is that Barncastle accidentally hooked Baylor giant Brittney Griner with her elbow for a foul. Taking things a little too personally, Griner responded by slugging Barncastle in the face.”
One word comes to mind: HOMER
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Eddie, you are right on! CL didn’t see the incident first hand and is reporting what happened by what an “unnamed source” said who was obviously biased by the actions. In most circles, this is called a rumor and not fact, and should be reported as such. I would think a good journalist would weigh all the facts before reporting what was told by a “reliable, but unnamed” source. It would appear that CL is long on innuendo and a little short on substance. I would expect the editorial Nazi’s to show up pretty soon!!!!
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The real spectacle is Tech’s losing conference record — again.
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Who cares about this. Wait til the fall when the Horns give all your players a black eye. Hook’em…
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Griner is as nuts as their coach!
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For all you gullible Bear fans justifying what Griner did, you don’t think the rest of the Big 12 teams are going to know how to get under Griner’s skin, by getting physical? Beleive me, they will get this game and study it to see how to get Griner out of the game. Did you ever see Courtney Paris or her sister at Oklahoma throw a punch? No. Griner will get suspended again for throwing a punch in the future. It will happen again. Barncastle did nothing wrong except possibly foul Griner. My goodness, I’ve seen girls literally tackled down in the paint. If you can’t handle the heat, get out of the kitchen!
Baylor has a bad reputation from the scandalous mens program from murder and cover-up of their players to now the “Thug” womens program. The only people defending what Griner did are Baylor homers. Even teams from other Big 12 schools think what Griner did was classless. I used to like Baylor and root for them when Tech wasn’t involved but I am not rooting for that “thug” team anymore.
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I said, HOOK’EM
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Mark my words, I will play in the NFL.
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that man chick needs to be done for the year. no place for that in sports.
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Griner Trash should be out for as long as Barncastle has to heal her injury. I could tell that the MANgirl was going to be trouble first time i watched a Baylor game this year. Some people you can actually judge a book by the cover; just like her coach; we like to call her the Baylor b****.
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Barncastle was getting owned and unfortunately, got punched! Emotions run high within the game, but let’s not clear the barncastle girl too early, she participated in roughhousing and the Griner girl acted instinctively. Now is this right? No! However, please don’t demonize Griner because she exploded.
It will be interesting to watch the outcome…..Suspend both for one game and let this serve as a lesson for all. One thing I know, we all are a work in progress….
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murray; that’s hilarious; throw a sucker punch and you get a one game suspension; geeez; what if this had been 2 guys; it would be all over the sports news; i hope griner gets popped one of these days instead of an elbow; but then of course she’s a man; she can probably take it
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How can any observor of this fiasco say there is an excuse/reason/mitigating factor for Griner’s punch. Take off your blinders and open your eyes! There was physical action taking place under the basket prior to the incident between the two, it happens in every game, male and female, but it’s a game. Yes a hard foul was committed, and called, but the punch was unwarranted and scary. Barncastle had already walked away and wasn’t even looking at Griner, Griner had to lunge around another player to strike Barncastle, hardly a snap second reaction.
That was the closest thing to the dreadful incident between Kermit Washington and Rudy Tomjanovich in the NBA many years ago. That punch destroyed Rudy’s face and could have potentialy done the same for Ms Barncastle. Ms Griner should be done for the year and hope their is not a lawsuit heading her way for medical expenses and more.
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GET OVER IT
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chuckyoh
what does racism have to do with this incident? You have one athlete losing control and commiting an act that would have you or I arrested in any state if we did it off the court. Playing “competitive” athletics, with high emotions is not an acceptable reason or excuse for physically assaulting another player with intent to injure. A hard foul as Barncastle did is and has been a part of basketball for as long as I remember, the punch has never been an accepted or tolerated reaction. During the heyday of the Celtics, the saying was “no easy layups” as players were all but hogtied on breakaway approaches to the basket. Fouls were called, foul shots were taken but players did not lose their temper like Ms Griner did.
This has nothing to do with racism, or self-defense , or acceptable behavior. This has everything to d with an athlete losing control and commiting an act of violence that needs to be dealt with harshly and quickly!
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Racist??? Are you kidding. Oh, I know, you want to get a rise out of everybody. If anything make them “sexist” because they keep calling her a She/He or a Man/Girl. Why don’t you try getting over being a racist yourself.
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my vote is suspended for the rest of baylors year, NCAA tournament included. That is not part of basketball.
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Chris Brumm said:
“The only regrettable part is that Griner hooked the punch instead of throwing the straight right. And in case you’re wondering I have no personal interest in this. Rock Chalk.”
Chris Brumm also said:
“It is stunning and sad, although not surprising, how most of the responses here are personal attacks on posters and players from cyber-thugs, who in all likelihood are cowards in real life, and how few even address the situation.”
You, Chris Brumm, sound like the “CYBER-THUG” to me.
You REGRET that Griner “didn’t throw tthe straight right”.
I see. You REGRET that Barncastle wasn’t injured more. You mean that you wish that she had a fractured jaw
or Brain trauma or even been killed don’t you?
What a low minded piece of snht you are. Subhuman slimebag and a real COWARD, rock chalk.
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REALIST said:
“This is basketball, and Griner did what she needed to do. The threat she now poses for all of the other less talented players who think pushing and shoving her around will definitely have them thinking twice before the act. It is strategically brilliant, even if done out of emotion. Go on girl”
I hope some body sucker punches your big mouth and breaks your nose. Then shoves it
where the sun don’t shine. You go girl.
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tech basketball men and women are struggling. we are talking about the tech football team that beat baylor by 7 without baylor’s star player this season, in what was essentially a home game for the raiders. we are talking about the raiders who are known to be the trashiest fans in the big twelve? just curious.
we are talking about tech women’s basketball compared to a baylor team that has one the national championship under mulk. we are looking at baylor sports that have won 59 conference championships compared to tech’s 37…
we are talking about the number 14 in the country baylor bears and the not ranked raiders. just curious.
there is not a team in the country that wouldn’t want brittney griner in their front court.
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bujordan said:
“there is not a team in the country that wouldn’t want brittney griner in their front court.”
You mean would want?
Kinda like your dope dealer killer mens BB teams wouldn’t want?
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Anybody here remember the two Baylor basketball players involved in the deadly pistol duel a few years ago? The one where the head coach was secretly taped encouraging players to cover his back by lying to authorities? It’s that Baylor. That Waco (pronounced “Wacko”). That David Koresh. The school encourages player and fan violence through inaction. Narcoleptic Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe doesn’t take action because he doesn’t realize Baylor is in his own conference.
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Oregon football player LeGarrette Blount was suspended for the year after punching a Boise State player in game 1. Blount was then reinstated after missing 8 games to play the last four. He had also been suspended the previous year for something else. See a pattern here? I’m not sure if a 2 game suspension is enough for this girl. I think she should be done for the year. A message needs to be sent to these kids that, YOU CAN KILL SOMEONE WITH ONE PUNCH.
Women’s basketball, it’s not for little girls anymore. These girls are more intense than the guys. Society and the parents are partly to blame for this intensity. Kids are spending too much time with organized teams such as AAU and travel teams. They are under to much pressure to succeed. Look at Elena Delle Donne, how much pressure do think that poor girl has been under since she was about 12? College’s already looking at her skills. They were even saying she could have gone directly to the WNBA from H.S.. No pressure there. It seems that every parent out there that has a kid with a little talent thinks that their kid is destined to be great and get a scholarship. How do you think the kids are developing these aggressive behaviors? I’m all for kids playing in sports growing up, but let the kids grow up a little before putting them on the fast track to success at the ages of 10, 12, etc.
What is it going to take to change things? A death from a punch that is landed just right?
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Bob here again. I was just able to watch the video of this punch. I hope that the Tech player Barncastle gets a game suspension also. She intentionally threw Griner. Griner instinctively came back at Barncastle, unfortunately with a punch. Looking at the expression on Griners face she appears very calm almost scared, not angry at all, almost as though she can not believe what she just did. I still do not justify the punch, but I look at this kid/girl and feel sorry for her. I’m sure she probably has been the focus of oppossing teams all her life and just snapped at the wrong time. Please watch the video and judge for yourself.
http://www.wsfa.com/global/Category.asp?C=151146&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=93080&topVideoCatNoB=97608&topVideoCatNoC=153813&topVideoCatNoD=92106&topVideoCatNoE=95084&clipId=4594666&autostart=true
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I just want to ask at what point is going after someone who is walking away and not even looking instinctual. I read all comments and a few have said that Griner acted instinctively. Sucker punching someone isn’t instinctual, its cowardly (just ask Carmelo Anthony). That kind of instinct is only on wild animals, not civilized people playing basketball. She really should be suspended for the rest of the year regardless if they are playing in the NCAA tourney or not. There is just no room for this kind of acts in college sports, period..
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Such violence has no place in sports. It is not okay to lose your temper to the point that you lose control of your behavior. I have played sports my entire life, including at the professional level, and am well aware of the pressures and the emotions that are involved in a competitive situation. The Baylor coach really needs to make this a ‘teachable’ moment and take control of the situation. She should immediately suspend Griner for the rest of this year. The young lady is going to be one of the great players of her generation. However, she needs to learn how to control her behavior under stress. She is a unique athlete and she will continue to see double and triple teams throughout the rest of her career. She is the Shaq of her sport. As such, she will be physically challenged EVERY minute she plays. The higher the level, the more this will happen. She is going to have to learn to deal with that. Her coach would do her a huge favor by teaching her now that her reaction to such abuse is NOT okay. A coach’s first job is to teach, not to win.
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Griner got off much too easy. She should have been suspended for the rest of the season. She’s a disgrace to the game.
Also, I think someone needs to do a chromosome test on Griner.
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