Leach’s lawyers fire back against Tech
BY MATTHEW McGOWAN AND ADAM ZUVANICH l AVALANCHE-JOURNAL
Team Leach — his legal team, not the ever-growing Facebook group — took its game to the next level Tuesday.
Attorneys for fired Texas Tech football coach Mike Leach filed a sharp legal rebuttal to claims by university administrators that Leach was responsible for his own termination.
In a third set of amendments to its Dec. 30 legal petition against Leach’s firing, filed in a Lubbock County court, the legal team has expanded its grounds for the lawsuit and is claiming Leach’s firing was based on factors extending beyond the football field and his alleged mistreatment of an injured player.
Among them is their belief Leach was fired for filing a temporary restraining order against the university the day after his indefinite suspension on Dec. 28.
“To me, that’s just flat wrong, for a university or any state agency in this state, to take an action and terminate an employee for simply exercising his rights given to him — not only by the constitution but by contract,” Paul Dobrowski, a member of Leach’s legal team, said during a Tuesday news conference. “We’re not going to stand for it.”
They expect to ask for “substantial” monetary damages.
Leach wrote, in a statement released Tuesday, “Obviously, I did not want to be suspended or terminated as head football coach at Texas Tech University. I categorically deny that I mistreated Adam James, refused to cooperate with the school’s investigation, or acted in an insubordinate manner as an employee of the university.”
Attorneys representing the university issued a statement Tuesday insisting the school fired Leach not because of his legal response but because of his treatment of an injured football player and for insubordination.
“We have reviewed the … petition filed by Coach Leach’s legal counsel and it contains numerous falsehoods and gross inaccuracies,” wrote Dicky Grigg, an attorney for the university. “Our position will be set forth through the litigation process.”
A hearing on Leach’s motion to expedite the legal proceedings, filed last week, is scheduled for 10 a.m. on Jan. 20. Leach’s attorneys have asked for a trial date no later than March 1, but Dobrowski said he’s not banking on that and would abide by whatever the judge rules.
“We’re asking that the order be moved up and get this done quickly because, look, the fact is coach Leach is unemployable,” Dobrowski said. “The longer this hangs over his head, the more opportunities he’s going to miss.”
Leach’s lawyers are seeking redress on seven grounds, including defamation, breach of contract, and violations of his due process rights.
Question of ’sovereign immunity’
Tech on Tuesday filed a motion to dismiss the case on the grounds of “sovereign immunity,” which means a state agency or entity cannot be sued without its permission, but Leach’s attorneys are requesting the court deny that defense.
Such immunity does not apply to Leach’s case, his attorneys say. They invoked the Texas Whistleblower Act, which gives legal recourse to aggrieved employees, and said Tech’s conduct in the matter waives the university’s immunity.
“We anticipate that when that matter is decided by Judge (Bill) Sowder, he’ll consider all of those items,” Dobrowski said. “And we expect that our position will be vindicated.”
‘Coach Leach has been … harmed’
Dobrowski said one purpose of the litigation is to vindicate Leach so he can restore his reputation and pursue a job with another college football program.
“I think it’s obvious to everyone that coach Leach has been materially harmed in terms of his reputation and in terms of his ability to make a living,” Dobrowski said. “The man has a wife and kids, and having listened to some of the ESPN and other talk shows, he’s been called radioactive. No other Division I university, and no other athletic department, is going to touch coach Leach while these, frankly, unfounded and wrongful allegations are out there.”
Dobrowski said Leach also is seeking monetary damages, an amount he couldn’t quantify but called “substantial.” Leach was fired after the first year of a five-year, $12.7 million contract with the university.
“The rest of the contract, absolutely, because (Texas Tech), frankly, didn’t follow the contract procedures and they breached the contract,” Dobrowski said. “And we believe that affords him all remedies from the entire term of the contract.”
When asked if there has been any communication with Tech regarding an out-of-court settlement, Dobrowski said, “None.” But he also said the Leach camp would be willing to consider a settlement proposal.
Suit against James family?
Dobrowski also did not rule out the possibility of a separate civil suit against Adam James’ family, including ESPN college football analyst Craig James.
“That is not something that we have pursued at this point in time,” he said. “Certainly, that is something that coach Leach will have to consider.”
Other reasons
Regarding the legal battle against Tech, Leach’s attorneys presented several arguments to buttress their claims Leach was fired not just for his treatment of the player.
At one point during the investigation into Leach’s treatment of Adam James, according to the court filings, Tech President Guy Bailey worried Chancellor Kent Hance was trying to “railroad Leach” because of a business partnership he had with Adam’s father.
“According to coach Leach, Craig James told him in August of 2009 that he had a business relationship with Kent Hance,” Dobrowski said. “Then, in December of 2009 when this investigation was beginning, coach Leach had another discussion with Guy Bailey in which Mr. Bailey advised coach Leach that he was going to send his assistant along with Ms. (Charlotte) Bingham to conduct her investigation because Mr. Bailey feared that coach Leach would be railroaded due to the business relationship between Kent Hance and Craig James.”
Bailey, in a response statement released Tuesday, dismissed the claims by calling them “patently false.”
Hance issued a similar statement denying any partnership with Craig James. Rebecca Shaw of Spaeth Communications, which is representing the James family, said a business relationship between Hance and James “just doesn’t exist.”
In another instance of outside factors in the petition, the investigator — Tech attorney Charlotte Bingham — doubted the investigation would yield any real problems for Leach. Citing Leach’s account, Dobrowski said Bingham made a recommendation to the Tech Board of Regents to “call the James family up and tell them not to call anymore.”
But several days later, according to the documents, Bingham left a voicemail with one of Leach’s assistants advising him, “to the effect, ‘This thing is heating up. There are outside forces affecting this situation that I cannot control.’ ”
Dobrowski said he has a copy of the voicemail, but did not explain the “to the effect” clause in the court documents. Calls placed by The A-J to Bingham’s office on Tuesday afternoon were referred to the university’s spokesperson.
Adam James’ character — and the allegedly unwelcome influence of his father — is also brought into question in the lawsuit.
The documents refer to a September incident in which coaches reportedly told James he would be made third string for his attitude. Furious, according to the documents, James screamed profanities and stormed out of the office, slamming and breaking a door on his way out.
Then, according to the lawsuit, James’ father called an assistant coach and left a message saying, “You don’t know what you’re doing. Adam James is the best player at the wide receiver position … If you’ve got the b—- to call me back, and I don’t think you do, call me back.”
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I think leach is reaching for any branch to slow his fall from what he thought was the top of the tree….. I liked him but I also like Tuberville and his professionalism.
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Ouch!
So Gerald Myers and Guy may not be that bad, just don’t have balls. Hance is the devil.
TEAM LEACH needed now more than ever. We need to know the facts! Cure the cancer whoever that may be…
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Team Leach is the last thing that is needed. Leach felt he was more important then the team for the past year, just talk to some of the players. I don’t like Myers either, but it is obvious that Hance gave Leach more then enough opportunity to correct what they felt he had done. Sometimes even if you don’t feel you have messed up you have to swallow your pride and move on. If he had done that then he would still be employed and life would go on. As we find it now he is unemployed and low and behold life is still going on.
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TEAM LEACH is not a pom pom squad for Mike Leach nor is it his legal defense fund. Can’t y’all read the mission statement?
Geez! Some people are so amall minded…
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TEAM LEACH … is also a place to show that Team Leach members do not agree with the way the Texas Tech administration handled the dismissal of Coach Leach.
We are not here to bash the James family or show our disdain for the new coach chosen to lead the football program.
We are a forum that is searching for the truth and pursuing that goal through positive means and in a professional manner. Nothing more nothing less.
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Just waive the white flag Tech. This is what you get for hiring an attorney for a head coach.
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They’ll have a tough time getting around the sovreign immunity defense. It’s well establised in State law and, even if the local district judge rules in Leach’s favor on that point, it’ll go all the way to the Texas Supreme Court. That’ll take a year or two and then all you have done is find out if the case can even be heard.
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So far it is Hance’s story verses Leach’s, but Leach’s is in a court document not a TV interview or one of those biased A-J PR pieces. It appears to me that the only way Hance can clear his name is to accept Leach’s challenge and let the truth come out in court. It will be interesting to hear what Bailey and Bingham have to say under oath verses what Hance then claims.
I saw in another blog what might be a great idea. I am sorry I do not remember which blog of who recommended it. The idea was to better represent what is now known as Team Leach to change its name to “Team Truth.”
I sense Hance will now be willing to settle this out of court. The bad news is the truth may never get to us. The worse news is that Hance, Bailey and Myers will still be at work (though I would hope they would be looking for an opportunity to transition out gracefully). The good news would be that after we all release our joy/grief of the settlement, we can get behind our school and like I have said before, get on about the business of being the best university on the planet.
Hance, be a leader for a change and just quit. Your capability, your ethics and your honesty do not live up to Texas Tech standards.
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golfwoody, thanks for reading my post. :-)
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Loose, not lose. Come on A.J. think about your headlines before publishing them.
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TEAM LEACH should rename itself TEAM HYSTERICAL. Screeching like a bunch of jilted brides AND hysterically funny. I’m guessing most of you never held a job. Otherwise, you’d know that cursing out your employer (even if he’s wrong), refusing to respect your boss, and suing the company you work for are not likely to work in your favor.
And while TEAM LEACH mourns the loss of the great TT pirate, remember that EVERY YEAR, as his ego grew and GREW, he looked for a job somewhere else. Ya think he loves you? Ya think he cares about Texas Tech? Nah. If he did, he wouldn’t have tried to leave at the end of each season.
He brought the program to a whole new level, and for that, we owe him thanks. But the man was VERY well paid for his work, and he had a sweet deal in Lubbock, where the demands/expectations were never that high for him. (You think they’d be happy with an 8-4 Alamo Bowl season in Austin?)
If you want to be mad at the Administration, go ahead. But taking our our misplaced fury on the new coach and the team is only going to hurt the football program for which you profess to care so deeply. Seems more like TEAM LEACH, with all their groovy conspiracy theories and all, is simply searching to fill their empty days.
Please, though, don’t call yourselves fans of the TTU football program. If you were fans, you wouldn’t be working so hard to tear it down.
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Loose, not lose. Come on A.J. think about your headlines before publishing them.
Think it should be TOSS!
Leach’s lawyers lose another volley against Tech
Or are they judging the case?
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Please, though, don’t call yourselves fans of the TTU football program. If you were fans, you wouldn’t be working so hard to tear it down.
It’s got to be built on good foundations otherwise it will crumble no matter how pretty it is….
Strive for honor evermore…
TEAM LEACH.
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I agree with this ^. At this point it just isn’t worth it; just move on and support the team.
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Watchdog: “Strive for honor evermore?”
Really? Is this a movie script you’re writing? Come on….
Gotta believe Mike Leach is cracking up over all this moaning from a fan base he never cared about in the first place.
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Watchdog -
It is a great idea. Though we may not all agree on Leach we can all agree on the need for truth and what is looking to be so little of it we are receiving from Hance.
Go Team Truth!
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Leach is gone, get over it. I half way agree that the good ole boys at Tech need to be gone gut you should try a different name. Team Leach implies you are in his corner. You are for or against, not both. Team Leach should be called Fire Myres to bring attention to real issue. Leach is gone, there is no way he should have supporters still wanting him to get his job back. It’s not going to happen. Team Leach is 60K strong on Facebook but I’m willing to bet 60% of the people joined a day or two after Leach was fired and then have since jumped off of that band wagon after all of the new details (I know I have!).
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Yeah I jumped off the boat. I am now just mad at the administration for the way they handled the situation, but I’m moving on.
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Tech grad. You really have an association with Tech other than a paid PR troll? If you don’t know what that is … that speaks volumes. Thanks for showing your true colors and the fact that Tech’s Public Relations is working for a worried and scared administration.
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Golfwoody: What, exactly is the “great idea” you credit to Watchdog?
Dividing the Tech fan base? Slagging the new coach and team? Seriously, what is the great idea?
If you Leach (and pirate) lovers in Raiderland want to oust the administration and “strive for honor” and all, fine. But there are far too many people on these boards (who claim to be fans) taking out their anger with the administration on the new coach and the team itself.
That is NOT a “great idea.” It’s messed up.
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PR firm working hard I see it. Don’t know nothing about Tech! Nor can they read. Thanks for showing your true colors.
AJ print the dang posts!
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I agree with Mikey. I was one of those who was FLOORED by the way the administration treated Mike Leach.
However…. I will always be a Red Raider, and now support Coach Tuberville and the Team.
That doesn’t mean that I haven’t called or e-mailed the AD, President, and BOR several times to rationally and calmly make my concerns known. It also doesn’t mean that I have not called and e-mailed Governor Perry to request a review of the current BOR and that he request a copy of all e-mail from the past 2 months. They are public record.
GUNS UP FOR MY RAIDERS!!!
guns down for Meyers
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Hey Chuck Norris… great idea…… change the name of the group to FIRE MEYERS!
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Golfwoody and many others here speaking to the corruptness of TTU’s snakepit.. Thank you for your time and thoughts… Thank you for the time in writing them here. I admire you for not allowing these issues to fade away because really, you are the true supporters of Tech…you care about the bigger picture… you care about ethics and fairness….. you care about the maltreatment of employees at TTU… and the horrific power abuse from those at the top who are allowing this to happen… and if they get by with this, they will allow much more to happen… The dysfunction and deceit must end. Please keep acting and keep verbalizing your disatisfaction with the corrupt establishment at TTU that I appropriately call a SNAKEPIT.
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TechGrad:
Why don’t you quit drinking the “Kool-Aid” and quit telling supporters of TEAM LEACH what to do. I consider myself part of TEAM LEACH, and what the University has done to our football program is horrible. You will see in the coming years, YES YEARS, how long it will take our football program to recover from this HUGH MISTAKE!!! TEAM LEACH has not “Divided” the fan base…….. Gerald Myers, and the Board of Regents are the ones who divided the fan base. Get your facts right!!! Whats “Messed up” is that ppl like you support a CORRUPT administration like you do!!!
T-WATCHING YOU!!! Guns up bro and I am with ya!!!
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Excuse me………. Thats Watchdog in the previous post!!!
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No matter what we feel about Leach is incidental regarding whether our beloved university is being run by someone who uses the lack of truth, the lack of ethics and the lack of managment skills to run this institution. This is bigger than football. If Hance dealt with the Leach situation this poorly how many other times has he ran people off illegally in other departments. They may not have had the money to fight him like Leach. How many times has he represented us through false stories and manipulation damaging our reputation. How many times has he allowed entitlement to manipulate the workings of Texas Tech. Even if you hate Leach, he is still fighting our battle for truth whether he gets a dime.
If Hance is 100% right in everything then I will be glad to apoligize, but without the continuation of the public pressure we will never know. If he is wrong in little or all, without investigation or court action, he gets away it and will be allowed to continue and it will only get worse.
We need Team Truth!
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Screw all of this. I will not read another article about Leach or the 3 stooges.
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I find it funny how ppl on this website and ppl who post here just “WRITE OFF” what Mike Leach did for this program, this city, and us as fans. HE is the one who made Texas Tech what it is today and yet everyone seems to forget this. Tommy Tubberville is not as great of a coach as he has been talked up. You ppl here will see what a mistake it was firing the BEST coach in College Football come this time next year!!!
TEAM LEACH FOREVER!!!!!
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His defense should be the truth, as he has stated all along, being that on two separate occasions he told the “trainer to put him in a dark place near the practice field.” Nowhere has it been said that Leach told him to put him in “that” storage shed or any other “shed”. This was an act on the “trainer’s” part, not Leach’s!!
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WAY TO GO T WATCHDOG WHO SAYS…. “Please, though, don’t call yourselves fans of the TTU football program. If you were fans, you wouldn’t be working so hard to tear it down. It’s got to be built on good foundations otherwise it will crumble no matter how pretty it is….Strive for honor evermore…”
Moving.
Honor gets lost when greed and selfishness come into play… And the signs come in how big dogs treat the lesser high profiles in the stories… Tech’s top dogs have been treating employees with no respect for a long time… it has culminated to this thing with Leach… their behavior has been culminating…
Does it matter? Does it matter that they have a long string of sad souls that have experienced unprofessional workplace, employment abuse… that were NOT handled, unresolved…where lives were harmed… people harmed… and now it has come to something larger… if this doesn’t matter to you, I must say that you are not supportive of the whole school… this isn’t about a coach or football in general.. this is about a very virus-like element in the school that is being allowed to fester and grow like an aggresive cancer. If you care about Tech, please voice your concerns. Do the research… read the archives and see what has gone on under Hance’s watch and what has been shoved aside, mishandled or not handled… there is a problem and pattern with honor and respect of hard working employees. It’s in the stories and archive of past and present. Decide for yourself if this leadership is acceptable to you and imagine the treatment of people happening to your son, your daughter, father or mother and ask yourself if it would be okay if it happened to someone you love. The current regime at Tech condones employee abuses and doesn’t right the wrongs so blatantly there. This flaw has culminated into a huge bottom line hit — when will it end? When Hance goes back to his law firm in Austin? When Gerald retires… when boosters and out of line regents decide to get the heck out of the sports management business? OR must we wait that long to put things into perspective?
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I fully support Team Leach because it’s not about trying to get Mike Leach back (that will never happen) or bshing the new coach or the James family. It’s about dealing with corruption inside the Texas Tech administration. If the football program falls apart, it will be because of the administration’s choices, not because of Team Leach. Team Leach is just looking for answers to what really happened.
And, I still fully support the Red Raiders! Just not the administration
:-)
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totally agree with “FireMyers!” on here… an employee’s dedication and hard work is just tossed in the trash for some on here, who only care about unfair things that only rock their world and immediate surroundings… but there are also a lot of folks like us who do see his great contributions and do believe he deserved DUE PROCESS in the very least for all that he had done. The politically-charged actions of the snakepit are unacceptable.
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I could take the “Friends of Mike” folks more seriously if they ever had complained about the administration for something other than its treatment of Mike Leach. Were you secretly members of a “TEAM JUSTICE FOR ALL TECH EMPLOYEES” before? Or is Mike Leach the only one worthy of your energies in this “search for truth”?
Have there been previous instances of “horrific power abuse” and “corruption” among the administration that caused you to flame the blogs? Did you ever write to protest the unjust treatment or firing of ANY OTHER TECH EMPLOYEE? If not, one can only assume that you’ve been happy with the Administration until now.
I believe the Administration handled the Leach situation badly, but then again, so Mike Leach. If you want to get self-righteous about defending a millionaire pirate coach, you probably could get REALLY worked up about the way lots of us less pampered folks get treated on the job every day.
Will you start a new team and start yelling for us, too?
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Fire Meyers
Put the crack pipe down. Leach is the best coach in college football? Leach wasn’t even the best OC in college football. That was the worst blog i’ve ever read. Don’t write on here again till you have a clue about football, coaching, life, or anything else for that matter. YOU SIR ARE A MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I encourage everyone on this website to sign the petition below if they do not agree with the actions this administration has taken.
http://www.firemyers.com/
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Team Leach forever, give me a break. All Leach is interested in now is MONEY not Tech. I didn’t agree with the firing but there was no conspiracy. Leach was an employee not THE football progam or even that great of a coach.
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Big Truck:
I am a moron……OK you Dusch!!
Let me ask you something……. How many years of College Football have you played?? None I am sure, so SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE!!! I played 4 years of D-1 Football. I have forgotten more football than you will every know!!!
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All Team Leach is interested in is Hance, Bailey, Meyers and truth.
Think you can handle that Judy.?
If you don’t like it then phone a regent and see how far THAT gets YOU.
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Fire Myers
If you played so much football, if you know as much as you claim, why didn’t your brilliant coach ever win anything more than the tangerine bowl. He sucked and you know it. Moron
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Such post get through and Watchdog gets banned? Geez the police state has returned.
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Big Truck:
I am not here to justify what “Bowls” Mike Leach won. He was the best coach Texas Tech has ever known and ever will know. As far as taking TTU to the next level…… well he was working on that. In the past 2 seasons he has had the best recruiting class TTU has ever seen….. gotta give em time to work. Not everybody is a narrow minded as you and think we should win the National Championship every year!!!
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Oh now Im getting moderated because this dude on here calls me a Moron…….. Why don’t yall moderate him for calling me a moron!!!
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I am not here to justify what “Bowls” Mike Leach won. He was the best coach Texas Tech has ever known and ever will know. As far as taking TTU to the next level…… well he was working on that. In the past 2 seasons he has had the best recruiting class TTU has ever seen….. gotta give em time to work. Not everybody is a narrow minded as you and think we should win the National Championship every year!!!
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Fire Myers!
I do not always agree with you, but it is obvious you are no moron.
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Big Truck…
Call “ol Emory and tell him what you think…I’m sure he’ll care about what you say…
“Wishbone formation creator Emory Bellard has stated that “Leach does the best job of any offensive coordinator in the nation.”
Sports Illustrated…last year.
Also give Bob Stoops a call and see what he thinks of Mike…or Art Briles, or Kevin Sumlin or any of the 300+ Texas high school coaches who run his offense…
Let me know what you find out.
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you leach supporters read what the kids say about him. they didn’t even know the guy for the most part. he was detached from the players w/ a superiority complex that ended up being his downfall. thank GOD the rum dumb pirate has walked the plank. btw-his “case” will sink like a lead zeppelin!!! you don’t cuss out and flip off your boss in the professioanl world. that’s why coach leach will NEVER be a PROFESSIONAL coach in ANY capacity. hid and watch, he’s tainted goods!!! has that ten foot pole thing working against him on ALL counts.
WRECK’EM!!!
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ok, HIDE!!! ;>)
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jim leavitt hires attorney to get job back…
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/01/11/jim-leavitt-hires-attorney-in-effort-to-get-usf-job-back/
no sovereign immunity there?
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Golfwoody:
Thanks for your support. Look don’t get me wrong…. I love Texas Tech Football. I just also loved Mike Leach and everything he did for the program, city, school, and fans. It is hard for me to dismiss the wrong doings that this administration has done to OUR Beloved coach. I do get upset sometimes, and for the language on a previous post I do apologize.
As for being a part of Team Leach……. well I know where I will be on Thursday at 1:00. We have to right a wrong that has been done to our coach…..And I encourage everyone here to meet in Memorial Circle on Thursday at 1:00 to show our disdain for the administration.
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yes john , OC, not HEAD coach. he should have remained an OC, so an adult could keep his idiotic personality from wrecking the ship!!! now we finally have an adult in charge again… no question leach is an offensive mastermind, but his baggage just isn’t worth the BS!!! that’s exactly why he stayed at tech. nobody else would give him a HC’s job…and still won’t… the risk is just too high!!! he’ll end up at some directional school..SE FL. or somesuch… what a waste… the jolly roger must be ousted and the dble T waves proud again!!! it’a NEW dawn for TECH, and a chance to reach new heights both athletically and academically…tier 1 here we come!!!
GUNZ UP!!!
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Leach and his loyal supporters need to find something else to do. IT’S OVER AND THERE ISN’T ANYTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. Please stop suffering behind this whacko nut lunatic. Supporters are acting like they were married or in love with Leach. He got what he deserved so move on DRAMA QUEENS.
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uh huh, that memorial circle thing won’t accomplish squat. waste your time all you like, you are supporting a goof, drunk, and a lost cause!!! the administration did what should have been done the first year leach was here. hate to say it but, leach brought ALL of this crap on himself, and ended up crapping all over himself and the university… i will agree on one thing, FIRE MYERS!!! only because he let this moron hang around much TOO LONG!!!
GUNZ UP!!!
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like last year big truck? ;>)
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anyway, one would expect to w/ that kind of nfl farm club talent… geez, i could run ten plays and win a championship w/ ou’s talent. hell tom osborne did it at nu forever. TEN base PLAYS!!! ahmm, w/ ten times the talent that is…
WRECK’EM!!!
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Big Truck:
Its OBVIOUS you know nothing about football by your previous post!!!! Your the Moron!!!! Tell me Big Truck…….. ummm….. duuuhh…. duhhh….. When’s the last time ole Bobby won a game in Lubbock!!!
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Some of you guys are paid plants on this site…
Team Leach is about accountability for the people who operate on taxpayer money as salaries who feel that they have the ability and the right to do whatever they wish due to political ties, finances, and unelected appointments to cushy jobs as paybacks for decades of political graft and corruption.
Just once…I would like for the little guys to get some payback…ergo…Team Leach.
It has nothing to do with Tommy or what the team will look like next year. If they go 1-11 or 13-0, I will stil support Tech. We have the opportunity…RIGHT NOW…to do something about this bunch of Austin and Dallas Layers and hedge fund managers and then go on about our business.
JUST ONCE….
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Hey Big Truck:
Don’t ask another question to me ………. Answer the last one I asked you!! Do you know when the last time your “BOBBY-Cry baby_STOOPS” won a game in Lubbock??
You make a bold statement as the one above and then don’t have the BALLZ to answer the question poised to you!!
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Big Truck can you say Lincoln?
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Or MacBrown in Lubbock too. Wasn’t last year!
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WD113:
He’s done……. I called him out on his football stupidity and he isn’t going to comment anymore. He calls me a MORON but he is the MORON.
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trolls, troll everywhere doing the tricks for the big man….
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…and log time Red Raider fans who support the fight for truth get censored and banned.
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Folks. Get a life. A bunch of you have lost perspective. It’s football. Not life and death. Go find a job, especially you “Watchdog”.
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Big Truck, you’re the name calling moron here fellow. When you rule the blog then you can say who posts and who doesn’t. Till then, you’re the classless one who can’t carry on any simulation of a civil conversation.
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I’d like to apologize for my previous post. The trush is, I wasn’t smart enough to go to Tech or any college. I’m just an angry high school drop out and I got no job. You can tell that I’m totally ignorant just based on the fact that I said winning was a “fluke” for Tech. It really shows my lack of education since anyone with any sense would know that Tech is the only Big 12 school that has had a winning record in the past 11 seasons and that we’re the only Big 12 team that has been in bowls all those years.
But I’m stupid, so I just get mad cuz I don’t understand anything. I’m gonna change my name from Big Truck to something else that rhymes with “truck”.
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big truck must be a new code word for no brains,coach leach has brought unprecendented notoriety to the texas tech program,raised the level of recruits,raised the graduation rate at tech,and won more games in his time span than ANY other tech football coach.
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Folks. Get a life. A bunch of you have lost perspective. It’s football. Not life and death. Go find a job, especially you “Watchdog”.
Got a life and a job……. a good job. Some would say in the state of Texas Football is LIFE
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Team Myers rocks! team leech sux!
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If you really think that Texas Football is life, you got some serious problems or you have no life.
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The law suit will get the truth known – so Team Leach, dont use that as an excuse for your attempts to be important now. Leach’s attorney’s and Texas Tech will get all the information thats needed without your questioning. Team Leach’s purpose now is only to damage Texas Tech.
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“Team Leach” is like a stalker boyfriend who still think he has a shot at his x-girlfriend even though there’s a restraining order on him. Move on.
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Team Leach’s purpose now is only to damage Texas Tech.
Kinda like the way Texas Tech damaged Mike Leaches reputation?? Is that right?? All we want is the truth.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqYbKWW9vZI
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Not sure who wrote that. I apologize for nothing, the truth is graduated from tech in 99 and own my own trucking company. I said beating top 25 teams was a fluke not New Mexico, SMU, North Dakota, etc. etc. etc. Just because Leach played weak non-conference games to make sure he got his 6 wins so he could go to the furniture bowl, tangerine bowl, etc. etc. etc. does not make him a good coach. That’s the problem with this institution, too many people like you that just want a bowl game every year even if we go 6-5 you guys cheer because thats a winning season. You guys are pathetic. Strive for more than mediocrity.
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In a nutshell here is the TECH athletic program.
A football team that has never played for the BIG 12 Championship.
A men’s basketball team that has been to the NCAA tourney ONCE SINCE 1997 & draws 2500 fans.
A women’s team that has been to the NCAA tourney once this in 5 years & draws 1000 fans on a good day.
A baseball team that has had trouble even making the BIG 12 tourney , much less the CWS.
A University owned golf course that has a double wide for a clubhouse 10 years after the course was built.
Add to that the constant bemoaning of how broke the Athletic Department as a whole is.
Then answer this: How many elite schools Athletic Departments are run by a washed up basketball coach? Florida? Penn State? UT ? ou? USC? Ohio St? LSU? bama? Georgia? Va Tech? Not ONE OF THEM.
More fine work from a washed up out of touch basketball coach & a DWI lawyer from Dimmitt.
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and own my own trucking company.
One truck does not make a company! Ha ha.
If Leach had coached the bowl and we were allowed to give him a proper farewell things indeed might be different. But the powers that be denied us that. We stand on morals and truth, what do you stand on? Cover-up and smears?
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THE ATHLETIC DEPT. AS A WHOLE? OR AS A HOLE?
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There is always FOR and AGAINST camps in any similar situation, be it at work for the common folks or be it for in-the-eye-of-the-public figures such as Mike Leach. There is no question Mike Leach put TTU on the map and TTU owes him a LOT for this and so does Lubbock. The same thing happened to Mark Mangino of Kansas, the national coach of the year only two years ago and that did not stop KU to let him go. You have to be an excellent spin doctor to survive in the age we live in. Kiss ass to everyone, including the ball boy, even if you can’t stand the. that’s how it works. I
If the alleged grounds for his termination happened 10 years ago nothing would have happened but things have changed so much. The money involved is too much liability-wise for the universities with high profile programs. Mike Leach built a high profile program relatively speaking and TTU admin. wants to build on that without having to deal with him…in other words now that he laid the foundation, let’s see if can go the distance ourselves. Kind of “user” mentality but that is the type of people who run the show behind scenes at TTU.
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Was it worth it
http://www.kcbd.com/global/Story.asp?s=11811141
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booster32,
I totally agree with your statement, “The law suit will get the truth known .” From my involvement with Team Leach (which, since there is confusion in what it stands for, I feel should be called Team Truth – thank you WatchDog) it is no longer about keeping Leach or even debating his skills or lack there of. but about ensuring the truth comes out. Just using the extremes, if Leach was totally out of line or if Hance and Co. totally mishandled this and lied about it, then so be it. At least we have the truth. If you silence public outcry in this situation nothing will happen and deceit wins by whomever is guilty – if not all. If Leach is wrong, he gets nothing and it will make it easy for everyone to close the book on his Tech history. If Hance is wrong, hopefully the govenor does right and fires him, with cause.
I am a part of Team Truth. I have no desire to hurt Tech. I am 100% behind Tubeville even though I do not agree with everything he is doing. He may not be the best coach in the nation but he is a good coach and he can help the program if we and the administration let him.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqYbKWW9vZI
Perspective – Right or wrong, this was great!
Go Tech!
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The spoof hits closer to the truth than first thought. The propaganda machines, the censorships, the lies and decet, the police state….it’s all being played out now in USA in 2010!
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Looks like someone might think Leach could win:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4820349
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kcbd will have video of the news conference on the web at 6pm!
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Looks like most of the family of Neville Chamberlain, the Brit Prime Minister who sold out the Czechs in the 1930’s, moved to Lubbock. Appeasement is what I see being preached here. The “Let’s just move on” crowd deserves this corrupt adminstration and its running dogs, the James Gang. I hope you have a very enjoyable fall; you deserve it.
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Not sure immunity counts in a breach of employment contract or slandering an individual. Anyone know for sure? Lawyers out there?
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So Tommy,
What did you gain with that comment? You don’t like Tech – so what, it appears you have issues with relationships anyway? You talked dirty – don’t worry we won’t tell your parents. And if your dad is Craig James, it wouldn’t matter if we did, he wouldn’t do anything about it anyway. Are you just seeing if you can get away with something? Good for you, little steps at a time. You’ll get there little guy. Is this the first time you have attempted cursing or is this just the first time anyone would let you play? BTW, be careful with those comments about your sexual orientation. We have several peeping tommy’s who view these blogs from other schools who may want to take advantage of you.
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golfwoody, I think it’s the 1st time little Tommy’s been allowed to use the keyboard w/o mom…probably in 5th grade.
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Leach will have a tough time getting around Tech’s sovereign immunity defense. It’s well establised in State law and, even if the local district judge rules in Leach’s favor on that point, it’ll go all the way to the Texas Supreme Court. That’ll take a two or three years and the only thing that has be accomplished is to find out if the case can even be heard. In the meantime, most or all of Leach’s coaches are out of work with no immediate prospects.
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Eloren may be right about this but it does beg the question, “Why have contracts?” In the current situation Tuberville has to fulfill his side of the contract, but Hance does not. Tuberville can be sued, Hance cannot. For discussion (and thinking positive), Tuberville takes us to the national championship and wins!! He is owed a BIG bonus. Hance tells him to drop dead, because after all, he can’t be sued. Tuberville now gets angry and fired for cause. Sounds like no one working for or doing business with the state of Texas has protection via the courts or rights in general.
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I think what bothers aloy of people is that we dont know what really is the truth all we can do is make our own judgements on what we are told through the media, we were not there we do not know for sure what did transpire all we can do issome how judge all the facts we do have and try to make some sort of our own opinion from it, I think given all the facts we do have, like Dan jackson said, was it worth it on Kcbd, who gained and who lost from this , was all of this worth it, a divided fan base, people that think that Leach was right, people that thought he was wrong, people that dont want to move on unti there is accountability,, people that want to want to move on but not hold the people accountable that made the decision or certain people such as Myers only, while all this legal manuvering is going on the fans have to decide for themselves, willl the truth ever come out, hopefully all of it does,then again we may never know, anyway you want to slice and dice this, it has cost thecity of Lubbock ,money in the future, Texas Tech money, ruined peoples reputation and Tech and Lubbock, the state of texas simply because of reasons that we can make judgements on, this should have never gotten to this point and was not handled professionally , andno one really wants to put a stop to it and are not accontable for,we as fans are the bystanders in this obvious train wreck.. how sad..
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Perspective, you have hit the nail right on the head!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ya’ll be careful out there. The A-J editorial Nazis are moving among us. They know where you live!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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UH OH! Sounds like trouble……KENT HANCE stated specifically in an on-air KLBK interview that “the decision to fire Leach came when he filed the lawsuit”. He also stated that “if you sue your boss, he will soon be your ex-boss”.
Can anyone say ‘CHING CHING”$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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@Eloren:
I am beginning to think you work for the Tech administration….hmmm????
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Leach’s attorneys were well aware of the sovereign immunity laws when they drafted or approved his contract. If he drafted it himself, he had a fool for a client.
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two words…Tucker Act….Tech is getting sued!
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It is a sad situation that a 21 year old who acted like a two year old brought about. We have become an overly sensitive society and we pay for by ruining the reputations of many fine individuals such as Coach Leach. It is also sad that a state supported institution uses these ridiculous claims by a childish, immature, brat who thought he was a football player. I pray Mike Leach at least gets the money that is owed him by the contract, whatever is left of the 12 millions. I personally think the university should fire Myers, Hance and Bailey and then sue them for whatever they have to help pay Mike Leach the money that is owed him from the shysters in the Tech administration. Yes I am still furious at the administration having fired Mike Leach for no reason.
From reading the emails the Dallas Morning News printed from last year, it was obvious they wanted him out. I do belong to Team Leach it does not bother me one bit to bash Craig James and Adam James as their actions were ridiculous. Daddy, Daddy, they will not play me, do something Daddy, please daddy. Give me a break!! A spoiled child running to a helicopter daddy, and the Tech administration uses this as a reason to fire Mike Leach. I hope you get all you ask for Coach Leach, the Tech administration sure showed their true colors and they are not red and black, they are “green”, because of envy. They did not like Coach Leach being a national figure, he overshadowed the egos in the Tech administration.
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eloren, aren’t you nerole on the Houston chronicle blogs?
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Im certainly no lawyer, but if TTU can hide behind immunity in this case, seems that Leachs attorneys could find another way to get to the truth via subpeonas in thru the backdoor of TTU employees? Just what is this extra business-affair between Hance & Craig James anyways? Since Craig James isnt a employee of TTU, started all this mess, perhaps Leachs’ attorneys would want to talk to him before a jury, and include thru subpoenas testimonys of all TTU staff involved in this scam, just how this all came down from the Top to bottom. Kinda like reverse-engineering the courts systems access to the truth outside of the States immunity policy. Since this all ended in defamation of character of the Coach, it all started with a phone call from Craig James. James shouldnt be able to equally hide from serious questioning hiding behind TTU immunity at all.
And to all the “lets move on& forget it” people, I think everyone in Raiderland deserves the “full truth”, especially before standing behind a team, via anymore future alumni financial contributions! Anyone who would support a TTU administration hiding behind immunity, without the full-truth being disclosed in a court of law about the Administrations actions in such circumstances, arent real Raiders in the first place!!
Its not about football anymore naysayers, Its about right & wrong done by the TTU administration from the Top down!
Do you “move on & forget people”, really want the new coach to have to put up with the same scenario from the current TTU AD & upper administration? Once fooled its their fault!! Second time, its yours RaiderNation.
Truth is, Adam James needs about 12 weeks of USMC bootcamp to change his punk attitude, and see what happens when you try to take-pictures with your phone-cam to make up lies!
However, his dad needed the same lessons in life, many yrs ago!! Now he is going into politics! ??? Better get to the bottom of this prob first, to see just how many “votes” Craig James really deserves in his political career? Just a thought.
Go for it Team Leach!!!
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If Leach is unable to sue TT, I hope he still goes after the James family…& ESPN for slander.
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Outside of Lubbock, Team Leach is a joke. Stolen from a bad movie.
I understand accountability for Tech leaders and have no problems with that.
But using this whole Team Leach thing needs to stop. It does not serve the University we love. Only the individual.
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Tech Grad:
I do have a job and in fact make a hell of a lot more than you do and have spent over $100K donating to the athletic department and am close to Mike Leach.
He has never cussed anybody out and if you could think a little outside your small mind you would put it together that Leach never said a thing while Myers, Hance, and Sowells were trying to sabatoge and get rid of him after an 11-1 season!
Looking at the Sowells letters that are now public would you not question Hance and his cronies instead of taking their word that he cursed them out.
He may may have said something but it was only after Hance threatened him 5 times with his job on christmas eve because he would not sign a document that would have let the university off after such a “sleazy” firing.
Tech grad…..You need to go back to school!!!!
I will continue to withhold funds from Tech and raise hell until the exterminator comes in and cleans out the RATS!
Regards,
Lynn E.
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After reading the documents today that Leachs attorney filed it becomes apparent that there are some issues that stand out, When Adam caused 1.100 dollars worth of damage to the door because he was demoted to third string ,anyone else would have been kicked off the team. think about that for a moment that has not been denied by Hance, any coach would have kicked his butt off the team, I sure as Hell would, was Leach pressured somehow in keeping him on the team? There is no way anyone can justify him staying on the team or not being suspended. WHO calls a regent a about his son not playing misstreated, whatever,noone. Why was A dam given a scholarship in the first place, given his history? WAS Leach pressured into giving him one? Given his work ethics substantiated by others as poor with a bad attitude that even Hance has not denied why was he allowed to play, pressure from Dad? given the facts here I would say that Hance is not telling the truth and neither is Mike in this issue, espn must have a hell of a lot of pull and so does Craig. Whata bunchof
scum..
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Here’s what I don’t understand, Texas Tech is claiming it can’t be sued by Leach. But said they fired Leach over his alleged abuse of Adam James and had to protect the university in case it was sued by the James family. So the James family can sue Tech, Leach can’t. Gimmeee a break….But then again Craig James has some astounding powers with the regents chairman, Guy Bailey, Gerald Myers and Kent Hance.
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WHAT really makes me mad is that these people are immune, Regents and the others and are arrogant about it, they think that they are above justice and the law . ..
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Life in Austin,
I believe I know where you are coming from on this, but at least with my experience with Team Leach, it’s purpose is exactly what you said that you had no problem with – “accountability for Tech leaders”. Sure there are still some who want Leach back, but we all know that is not going to happen. We want the truth to come out and we want our school protected from any lies on either and all sides of this situation. Once we know justice will be served and the truth will come out, we are done.
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Life in Austin,
I agree with your point except one thing,
The University you Love, and ALL its Alums, deserves to know the “truth”, brought to ALL by team Leach ( whom by the way has a much better than a “joke” reputation, than you think nationwide, ), and that “truth” only, will hold your Tech Leaders Accountable!,… in recent & future accusations from disgruntled ESPN employee/fathers and their sons that play football for TTU in the future, or for any TTU parents that has the Chancellors personal phone number to dial-in your complaints if you ever have any!
That said, if you really want to know whats going on at your wonderful Univ,( shameful as it may be to you),never accept the admin being able to hide behind any immunity laws! That way, your really showing your faith/support of RaiderNation, by hearing both sides of the story, and let a jury decide?
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Good point Monk!
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Our Texas Attorney General, Greg Abbott, made a campaign promise to focus on protecting families and values. Claiming sovereign immunity sounds more like he is interested in protected “the good ol’ boys” like Kent Hance. Not hard working men like Mike Leach. Go ahead Greg…..protect your old buddy. The truth is going to come out eventually and you’re going to look as stupid as Hance.
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Did C. James pay for the damage to the door?
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If I were Mike Leach, I’d settle with Texas Tech. Every day this continues, his chances for any kind of meaningful employment diminish. If you look at his behavior these past years, who’s going to hire him? No one came close to hiring him when he wanted to leave a couple of years ago. From afar, for a while, at least, it was fun to look at Leach and what he’s accomplished, because it was different, but it’s no longer different, and I know for a fact that many ADs wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole because he doesn’t have the image they’re looking for. All this Team Leach nonsense is not helping the university. In fact, nationally, the members of Team Leach are considered a joke. Tommy Tuberville is the right hire. He’s a great coach and he has the image Texas Tech needs. It doesn’t need a goofy pirate with rumpled clothes who mumbles incoherently in press conferences. The members of Team Leach may think they’re going to make a difference, but they’re not, and there are just as many – if not more – alums around the world who are sick of their juvenile behavior.
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George, I might agree with you if Team Leach had a few hundred people, but over 60,000 & growing? This isn’t about Leach, but about the way he was treated. Everyone knows he isn’t coming back, but he was railroaded. If he can no longer coach, then all the more reason I hope he sues everyone involved for as much as he can get…
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whistleblower act …. this does away with their “sovereign immunity”!! excellent!!
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George and others,I guess you think that condoning Corruption is Ok? I t is very shallow when you pesonally attack a person and demean people that have obviously strong feelings about wanting the truth and accountability of this obvious corruption, so you find other ways to justify your true self and not make a intelligent response..
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I just read every word Mike Leach’s newest legal filing. I’m angrier now than I was before. I have one word for the Tech Administration: BUSTED!!!
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found this on an ESPN blog – it’s very good!
The lawsuit Mike Leach has filed against Texas Tech is just the start of a long battle in the courts for Mike Leach and his attorneys. After reading the paper filed, it is plain there are two distinct and different views of what transpired. Because of the emails included in Mike Leach’s filing, it is clear that his statements are more truthful than Chancellor Kent Hance’s statements. Should the court decide to allow this suit to go to trial, the “Defendants” would be falling all over each other to try and settle out of court. No matter. Because of what has come to light, it is evident those “Defendants” will be stained forever from this debacle. We all know Mike Leach is a bit different, but he is not a scoundrel, like those he is suing. I certainly do not want those scoundrels to ever again be involved in anything related to Texas Tech. No matter what their previous accomplishments may be, they have gone way over the line on this and someway, somehow deserve to be dealt with like the criminals they have become. Not only that, they have managed to drag the reputation of Texas Tech into the gutter with them. This is a black eye that will affect Red Raiderland for a long time and those of us who love the university will remember it and will show our disgust for those people involved for the rest of our, or their, lives. Those who think Mike Leach would still be here if he had signed that “letter” are very mistaken, as the evil parties had planned this for about a year.
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TEAM LEACH…….the T-Shirts, the Aggies, the Sooners and everyone else are laughing their butts off at you. Continue to stir things up, continue to damage recruiting, continue to waste money on lawyers, continue to make Tech the laughing stock of NCAA football.
I still contend that THE LEACH’S TEAM is an operation that is run by moles from the aforementioned schools.
BTW, unle$$ you have run a busine$$, you have no validity in this discu$$ion. This is about big money and big company (Tech) management. If you are an undergrad kinesiology major or some other usele$$ sort, you have no idea what you are talking about. I don’t know who keeps telling college students that they actually know anything about the real world. College is not the real world. College comes after the real world…..when you actually have to be productive at something the market values. In college, you are paying adults to put up with you. If they weren’t being paid, they wouldn’t have a thing to do with you.
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Craig and Kent are business partners huh…imagine that. Seems like i mentioned something about Craig being in on the conspiracy FROM THE BEGINNING…..it was all just too coincidental. Hance and Sowell emails from Dec 2008 saying they needed to fire him before Dec 31, 2009 and Craig showing up JUST BEFORE DEC 31, 2009…amazing huh
And then Craig being soooo desperately worried about Adams safety that he TOOK THE TIME TO EMPLOY A PR FIRM BEFORE MAKING HIS COMPLAINT
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Over timeand history people that are in power and corrupt somehow ssem to survive and survive well, case in point, Madoff, Nixon, Mc Namara, Al Capone .after they have done their evil doings they go on and survive these rats for lack of a better term, just go on to another rat hole,write boooks and get continued pulicity after they have destroyed lives of good people, Hance, Myers, Bailey, Regents when they are found of wrong doing and the truth does come out will simply just go on to another rat hole and willnot care what they did to Leach, the Fans and others, they will survive in another rat hole and not give this another thought..
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How on earth to TTU get so many snakes in leadership positions. I see no honesty on any of their parts.
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painfully obvious take the time to read my post about corruption,George, you fit that category, respect your opinion , though.
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I have loved and supported tech for more than 30 years. I have seen some great moments and some amazing upsets through the years, but rarely has our football program ever been seen as so dangerous and so legitimate, especially against the bigger names in the conference . . . until Mike Leach came on the scene.
I am very interested in the results of this case and wait with great anticipation to see what the legal case will produce and explain. Both sides are acting like they should in a legal case. You can’t say everything or you lose your position in the trial. They will settle or the truth will be exposed.
My last word here is to say this. I have known Kent Hance and his family for more than 30 years, and I have watched Gerald Myers since he coach basketball in the 70’s. At no time did I ever have a doubt or a concern about their ability, their skill set, or their motives; until recently! I don’t think the way the contract extension talks last November, December, and January were honest and didn’t appear to be completely above board. The e-mails that were released make things look really suspicious. Time will give us a better perspective! I love tech, I support the players, and I am excited about Coach Tubberville, but I still want to know the truth. If Mike Leach was improperly fired, the university owes him everything they took from him and the administration should pay the university back for what they cost us. That includes their finances and their jobs. May the truth unite us all again.
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George,
Forget about coach Leachs’ personal “image”, and for that matter, forget about he ever coached for TTU! Period!!
Put yourself in the coaches shoes!
Say, you signed a contract with a state employer to deliver your services, you fully complete your end of the deal to best of your abilities, and expect all bonuses the state promised also. Then, the Dallas Morning News releases a series of your employers in-house emails by your bosses that dates back a year, planning on canning you azz anyways, especially before your final bonus is due.
How much would YOU love your employer then?, when they couldnt even “prove” insuborination?
Then, YOUR state employer hides behind a little “trick” called “immunity”.
I bet you would be breaking a few doors down also, and be acting a little “wierd” yourself trying to get to the truth? Reckon?Would YOU accept a simple financial settlement?… or try to fully expose the prob at Top, where your bosses screwed you financially, then tried their best to ruin your personal reputation along the way also?
This is about Way More than football George! This is about corruption at the Top level at Texas Tech University administration hiding behind Immunity laws! Yes George, it needs to be addressed in a manner thats fair for all in a courtroom, with both sides presenting their facts. Thats REAL RaiderNation at work, and I would expect Any TTU Alumni to want to hear both sides of the story also. Otherwise, status quo still in power to screw the next coach that comes along also!! Reckon? Just seems like a good policy to get to the bottom of the real probs first, before moving on and accepting a TTU offered plea agreement of signing TTUs “false” document for something to help cover TTU execs azzes even more?
Note to George, Head Coaches dont get “immunity” from those type documents in a court of law either, if the “real” truth is known.
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This gal from PA has great respect for a coach whose team was 8th in the nation in graduation rates in 2008, and first in the Big 12 for 2009. That shows me a lot about Coach Leach and his priorities for his kids. Here’s hoping the truth comes out, as the defamation of this man’s character is something none of us should accept without clear, objective evidence of wrongdoing. As an institution of higher learning, TT should realize that sometimes the most life-defining lessons learned by students in college are not those found in books.
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It’s ALL up to Sowder now…he has to allow Leach to use the whistleblower act or ” sovereign immunity” prevents Leach from even being able to sue!
IF Judge SOWDER is in Bed with Hance………Leach is screwed!!!!
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How do these people sleep at night?? SRV you mentioned if Hance, Myers Bailey and James get away with this they just crawl in another rat hole and do it all over again…Sadly, you are exactly right! But….at the end of the day, when they meet their maker, there is NO other hole to crawl in…it’s payday, and payday is eternal hell and damnation!!
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Well Dickey, as one of the Athletic Departments major contributors over the years I guess we see where the money is. If you are defending them they must know they are in deep kaka.
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D, I was, going to say the same thing but in stronger terms, but you know how that goes,, hint rot..
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You can run but you cant hide..
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Wooooaaaa! 83 Grad!
30 years??? Kent Hance ran for US Congress as a democrat, was elected, went to DC, & changed
over to the republican party. Hance publicly LIED to all the democrats who voted for him & sent him
to Washington to represent our district. It’s not even a matter that can be debated. He is a low down
dirty stinkin’ sleezeball LIAR. Once a LIAR always a LIAR! Not sufficiently dignified to be a DWI lawyer.
As always I remind you,
KENT HANCE IS A SNAKE IN THE GRASS & ALWAYS HAS BEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, if nothing else, Team Leach can reach out to 10 friends each…that’s enough to probably sway an election for senate in a non-presidential election year…we can at least make sure James doesn’t leech off the taxpayers for the rest of his life & has to actually go out & work for a living.
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What about the lawyers. I don’t know much about the law but I see that one is over his head and wears duck hunting camoflauge to court and the other calls the kid Adam Leach for half of the speech. Isn’t the Liggett guy the one with the ape in his ad that sues people in little car wreck cases for a living? Sad.
I think the anger is dying down as everyone has their lives to live and after all it is just football. I do not support Hance or Myers but I am ready to move on. Why would Lubbock people award Leach a bunch of money knowing it will hurt Tech’s pocket book and go to the lawyer in camoflauge and the one that does not know the right name of the problem child.
I frankly am relieved to have a new coach now knowing that Leach was going to leave as soon as he could anyway.
Good Luck Tubberville and move on Tech!!!
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It saddens me to hear all these Tech supporters and as(s)umed Tech alum who say Team Leach a joke. Always the bottom line is as George put it “The members of Team Leach may think they’re going to make a difference, but they’re not.”
I hate the thought that if Hance and Co. are guilty of lying, manipulating and causing harm to Leach, others in non-athletic departments and Texas Tech itself, and we have a chance to do something about it but do nothing, what good was our education there? Without a public outcry the lies WILL be covered up. If it takes permission from Texas to sue Hance, then it will take noise, attention and voters to get them to agree to let the trial happen. It may take Team Leach and its 60K+ members to prevent a documented helecopter dad from being a state Senator. As I have said before, this is a lot bigger than just Leach and the football team. The main thing is it is about doing the right thing.
I am certainly not trying to push my beliefs on anyone, but as St. James wrote, “Anyone who knows what to do and does not do it, it is sin.” If one screams it is a noise, if 60,000 scream its a roar. We have to do something and there is no other means to participate other than what is known as Team Leach.
But, it is not about Leach. He is just a object to a means and a means to and end. Tubberville is the coach and as I have said before, I do not agree with everything he is doing but he is the coach of the college team I love and I hope he takes us all the way to the top. Team Leach should be called Team Truth. We are working hard to ensure the truth is revealed – from whomever is lying.
I was born in Lubbock across the street from Tech; picked cotton in the fields before there were machines to do it; went to high school at Coronado and was dirt poor. Thanks to an education at Tech I have done quite well – including running a business George (publicly traded, excess of $1B in sales and over 8,000 employees). I now live in the southeastern US and talk to people over the country and world daily. I am known to be a Texas Tech supporter. Over the last two weeks not a single person has laughed at Team Leach. They have laughed at Texas Tech and that hurts.
You may be willing to let Tech rot from within, but I am not. I am doing everything I can and Team Truth is a help.
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I still think Coach Leach has a recourse for legal action, even if TTU hides behind immunity. Coach Leach & his attorneys should go straight to the source of the problem then, the TTU powers at be cant hide behind immunity. That would be via a direct lawsuit with Craig James for instigating all this mess, then subpoena all Staff involved at TTU to testify before a jury.
Every American deserves his day in court if needbe, and surely there are ways for the US legal system can work to get to the truth, and expose those that try to hide behind immunity laws? If not, were all screwed (taxpayers & University financial contributors) by allowing the States we live in to dictate, whos running the show at all our Universitys where we send & finance our Children. I have a BIG prob with administrations of ANY University, that is afraid to go to Court, and take the “low road” out using immunity laws, by the States protection laws that oversees both the laws, & hiring & firing the Chancellors that all us taxpayers with children attending Texas Schools are all supposed to believe will make proper decisions solely on their choices. Now its “all this” at TTU. Forget Football!! This is a case of ” Right & Wrong”,… Period!!
Seems to me, Hance was afraid of Craig James power at ESPN, TTU heeded to a television network, then tried to get coach Leach to be the “fall guy”, by signing a false document. Personally, I wouldnt have signed that false accuasation either coach Leach!
Otherwise, PROVE IT In COURT TTU !! Dont continue to hide the real Truth by using your simple “immunity”as a easy out here on this issue! Your reputation is also on the line with many thousands of Tech Alumni!! As is Myers, & the rest of the TTU athletics staff.
Its simple TTU, If you dont have anything to “hide”,…. You dont need immunity anyways!!! Get your TTU Admin to the Lubbock Courthouse, and “face” the charges against you instead!! Hiding behind Immunity, doesnt resolve any “true” issues at all !!
Your Alumni is waiting for some real answers nowadays. And they dont appreciate TTU admin hiding behind closed doors & simple immunities laws, that may devulge a “coverup”!??
Seems now if TTU Admin, knew what was about to hit them in the face after all this, that Hance would have given the OK for Coach Leach to issue “walking papers” to that spoiled kid , and realized ESPN Sports TV wasnt really that powerful afterall? Live & Learn TTU!!!
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It is absurd that Hance and Tech administration love to spew propaganda about how Leach’s claims are full of falsehoods and inaccuracies all the while doing everything in their power disallow Leach being heard in a court of law. He was fired before his injunction could be heard and now this immunity claim!
I have a question for someone familiar with law out there… what is the point of a university having a contract with an employee if when they choose to act in violation of that contract they can simply claim immunity? What exactly is the point of the contract??
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golfwoody, you are the kind of person who should run for public office, not the likes of Craig James. Your heartfelt comments are right on target, thank-you.
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I think Leach two chance to win his suit, slim and none. Insubordination is a term that totally favors the boss. If they asked him to apologize on behalf of Tech and he refused, if he even cussed at his boss- Hance, if they asked him to not coach while they conduct an investigation and were paying him for this down time and Leach refused to abide—– HE IS TOAST !! Then if this werent enough TECH cant be sued anyway. They have immunity. I like Leach but he isnt as smart as I thought. Not knowledgeabe about the LAW !!!! He was far from being the whistleblower in these circumstances. His contract was terminated with cause and that contract allowed it to be canceled when Leach used profanity to his boss, failed to follow his directions, and mainly mistreated a player. I havent previously heard Leach blame a trainer for where the James boy was placed…..surely he would have told the WORLD that was the case in the beginning IF THAT WERE THE TRUTH. Now he is saying it wasnt even something he knew about ? All the pirate is doing is ending his career in college football FOREVER !! Thats the whistle he may be hearing
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Thanks Babs! That was very kind.
What keeps me from running for public office is having to deal with the likes of Craig James and Kent Hance on a daily basis. There are a lot of good public servants out there and then there are the liars, the manipulators, the favor-brokers – and they are the majority (including Republicans and Democrats).
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I’ll bet Tuberville is kicking himself right now. He would have been the top choice for the Tennessee job. If he hasn’t formally signed the TT contract, he may still be.
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GOLFWOODY there are us, the Mr. Smiths of the world too…thanks for being here to fight.
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Tuberville is not the story at Tech and we shold keep focus on the real problem. This story is totally about Adam James character and the fact that Texas Tech had grown to dislike Coach Leach and wanted him out of there at the cheapest cost to them. Craig James utilized his job at espn to highten his sons version of the story and that does not mean that it is the truth. Until I here Coach Leach speak directly on the topic, I can only speculate. There has been those in support of the coach come out while he was suspended and now that he is fired, I am sure those against the coach will start to surface as well. In all things in life, there are those that agree and disagree, those that approve and disapprove, those in favor and those against. Its all a matter of interpretation and this will be no different. The fact is there are plenty of kids like Adam James that are in a unique position and many of them take full advantage of it both positively and negatively. Coach was doing what he felt he needed to do to create an enviornment were athletes will give 100 percent and help him win football games. Maybe he is too old school most people across the country but remember he is in texas and that is a very different enviornment then most. Right or wrong, Craig james used his influence to bolster Texas Techs Witch hunt and runout a good football coach.
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No matter how this turns out peoples reputations are ruined, let truth and good prevail in the end..
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Coaches sue universities all the time over contract disputes. Leach will have his day in court. If “sovereign immunity” is granted, this will definitely be refiled as an EEOC suit, which in turn can sue anybody they chose to.
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knowit, why wouldn’t you consider the whistleblower act relevant for Leach when filing an injunction based on the claim that the university was in violation of his contract with the suspension? Based on the time of the events it does appear the university took adverse action against him for filing in good faith that the university was violating the conditions of a legally binding contract. It seems to fit in pretty well with the whistleblower act.
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I absolutely can’t get past the way the docs state that Adam James acted towards his coaches…what unbelievable gall!
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Mike has been fired and will not return. He was fired in a very unprofessional manner by and administration that is full of incompetence. Gerald Myers, Guy Bailey and chancellor Kent (republican lobbyist) Hance who hired Alberto (I can’t remember) Gonzales to teach one course of 15 kids for $100,000.00 a year That is $850.00 per course hour. Nice work if you can get it. In case you do not know who Alberto (I can’t remember), he was the Attorney General under George W. Bush who tried to politicize the justice department (Remember separation of powers in the Constitution) and tried to fire all the U. S. Attorneys that were not conservative republicans. This man lied and refused to testify to congress and resigned under pressure. He was unable to get a job until chancellor Kent (republican lobbyist) hired him. These people had outside help with Jim Sowell and Craig James. We will leave Crybaby James out of it since he doesn’t have the gum,ption to stand up to anybody.
Tech needs to clean house and they will not do that as long as governor perry backs his bad decisions that brought everybody here.
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The Volunteers should hire Leach. Maybe a good fit in the SEC.
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‘Big Drunk’ is a professional troll for Spaeth Communications. He is here in a dual role for ESPN.
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oh you know it, golfwoody… I agree about the running for office thing. I wouldn’t be able to stand the deceit, lies and craziness at all… too honest for that stuff, I guess. But then again, wow, if we could get some honest, goodhearted people into TTU admin… well, I sure wish we could. — things would change for the better….
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Leach will have a tough time getting around Tech’s sovereign immunity defense. It’s well establised in State law and, even if the local district judge rules in Leach’s favor on that point, it’ll go all the way to the Texas Supreme Court. That’ll take a two or three years and the only thing that has be accomplished is to find out if the case can even be heard. In the meantime, most or all of Leach’s coaches are out of work with no immediate prospects.
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This is incredibly funny.
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The coach got himself fired by locking an injured kid up in a shed. And now some hysterical 7th graders have formed “Team Leach.” Anyone realize just how ridiculous this whole “save” Leach thing is.
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Good point about Tommy T….. He probably is kicking himself for not being available for the Vol job.
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It all comes down to……Is SOWDER honest or….is he in bed with Tech and Hance…..his decision will tell!
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Funny how the truth gets moderated on this site….
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david: here’s hint on your Sowder quandry: Hance, Bailey, Meyers, & the entire board of regents are republicans and appointed by a republican governor.
Sowder is a republican too.
So wonder no more.
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Tech grad I do not know where you have been this year, but I have been complaining about the administration since last August.
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Jason55 you’ve lost site of the entire point. The question is did the admin conspire and now involved in a cover-up. Why won’t they ler Leach sue, but were afraid the James family was going to? Look at the whole picture kid.
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Anybody heard that Mike Leach has been contacted by USF for the head coaching job?? ESPN reported today
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Monk said “Jason55 you’ve lost site of the entire point. The question is did the admin conspire and now involved in a cover-up. Why won’t they ler Leach sue, but were afraid the James family was going to? Look at the whole picture kid. ”
Monk, maybe you can rephase your post, especially the 3rd sentence. I think I have a good grasp of the situation. The coach did something really stupid and go canned. And now the victim, Adam James, has become a villian in the eyes of the Team Leachers.
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TeamLeach, almost any Florida team would be a good fit for Leach.
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The truth about last year’s emails? Well, if you remember, Leach flew to Seattle on December 2, 2008 to interview for the University of Washington job. Then Leach tried to get an interview with Auburn. Not surprising some people were not happy that Leach was out looking for another job while under contract with Tech and when he should have been getting ready for the Cotton Bowl. Seems that Sowell wanted to make sure if Leach kept looking elsewhere, Tech should be able to fire him. Many coaching contracts have clauses prohibiting the coach to interview without permission. Leach’s contract did not have such a provision. That was the big snag in last year’s contract. “The provision that bothered Leach most is one that would trigger his firing and a $1.5 million penalty if he interviews for another job without athletic director Gerald Myers’ permission. Leach’s current deal has no such restriction” http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3914101 Leach won the point; the new contract had no such provision. It didn’t even have a buyout clause.
Hance and James are not in business together. Both deny it. I understand the admin haters discount the denial, but without proof that is all you have. You cannot prove the existence of something that does not exist. The only one saying it is Leach, and he offers no proof. Team Leach jumps on this like it is gospel without any shred of evidence. When it comes out to be false, will Team Leach admit that the pirate is a liar? They are quick to say the administration lies but have no proof.
Finally, Leach can sue on the contract. Immunity only applies to his other causes of action. Of course if the university is right and he was terminated for cause, he is zeroed out. If he is right and he was terminated without cause, he would be due his base salary for the remaining years on his contract (about $1.2 mil)
Lesson to be learned? “Don’t listen to your inner pirate if your inner pirate is an idiot.” Pirates have no regard for rules or other people.
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This is NOT about Tuberville of Tech football. This is about state employees (Meyers, Hance) who used power and greed to randomly dismiss an employee without legal cause.
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ONLY thing that remains to be seen…..IS Judge SOWDER fair?
If Sowder is fair , he will allow Leach the whistleblowers act
If he is in bed with Tech and Hance…Leachs’ case is thrown out and …Tech walks
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Jason55
I agree……. I think he could install his offense in Florida and be HIGHLY successful
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Hance and the Gang cheated Leach out of his pay. Now Hance and the Gang have the resources of the State of Texas to defend them. Guess they cheated him fair and square. No more Tech for me. Ever.
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It’s hard to believe there will be a “Reach for Leach” Rally on Thursday. Leach supporters please know the country is laughing at you. You are dragging down a great university as well as the city of Lubbock.
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Well Jason55 here it is, plain and simple. Tech had an attorney conduct an investigation into the allegation in case the James family wanted to file suit. They evidently were worried about the James family, then when Leach files suit the Admin cries foul, we can’t be sued.
Sowder shoud let depos be taken under oath. I hope Leach files civil actions against each one person involved if Sowder disallows the action.
Once again till it comes out in court, how can anybody say ” He or They did nothing wrong. ” What’s wrong with making it all a matter of public record. ” What has either party got to hide. .”
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Hance, White, Sowell, and the rest of the Gang have spent a lifetime bettering their position by shopping their opportunities. Leach does the same thing and the Gang’s ego(s) are blown sky high. So it’s OK for Hance, White, and the gang to shop their deals but not OK for Coach Leach. There have rats at the top at Tech for a long time. Don’t spend any more money at Tech.
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I’ve found that the Avalanche Journal is similar to ESPN in that they are both extremely biased.
Both report one side to a story but according to the FCC that is legal. FCC spokesperson said ” although in many cases unfairness is cited and obvious, if only one side is presented, ( which is the case when court is pending, usually) it IS indeed to “run” with the story”
I suppose this is why so many people are made to look like a FOOL after court is out.
BE FAIR SOWDER!!!
Does anybody know if Sowder is in bed with Tech and Hance? Or is he going to allow fact finding to take place?
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BE FAIR SOWDER
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Troll: You are dragging down a great university as well as the city of Lubbock.
No the University is already there and are laugh at how the administration acted. They respect the fan’s actions of seeking the truth as that is an ideal that we Americans aspire. Or so I thought….
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If Leach can’t go after Tech directly, he could sue James & espn for defamation of character, libel, etc…& still force the admin members to have to give testimony if they want to help bail out their mole.
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Maybe the James family will sue….. both the university and Leach. They have every right to do just that. They are the victims in the while affair. Their son, who had a concussion, was locked up in a shed. This action was done to humiliate th student. Most of us would be livid if it happened to our kid. It was the wrong thing to do…… and got the coach fired.
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Would be nice, when Leach wins, that he set’s up a scholarship at Tech, when the stooges are fired. He can then go after ESPN, James’ and others for his personal enrichment. Well I would consider that as I wouldn’t feel right about taking money from the school knowing that it’ll hurt the fans and the students that supported me…just saying. :-)
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Jason did they pay for the property damage done by jr?
Nice try troll.
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i am not happy about our new coach, the big 12 is prime to be ours next year. ou tu okst all down. nu is going to be good. With leach we would have the best opportunity to win the big 12 ever, now who knows……..tuberville is going to gut the coaching staff and we will lose recruits like crazy…………tuberville is old news and cannot coach the leach’s offense…….the offense is what gives us the advantage over the more talented schools………..guns up raiders!
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Aftter reviewing all the factsof this document and the others, statements by the Hance, Myers, Bailey, Regents, Perry, Sowell, Craig James, Adam James, current players, former players, current coaches, former coaches, and others, it has for me as a individual a long time fan, to decide not to buy anything connected to Texas Tech, not to support a coach or coaches that are connected with this administration,especially ones that have been hired recently by these people, coaches can go anywhere and so can players and so can fans, anybody in my opinionthat would be hired by these people, work for them, play for a coach that was hired by them do not have any principals because of every thing that has transpired, in short Iam not a fan of Tech after many, many years and will not be until these people are gone, yeah I know, Im only one and I never was a fan and blah, blah, but you know what , I DO NOT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING i DO NOT HAVE TO DO..
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Jason55, listen little Adam’s play buddy…poor, little wimp Adam wasn’t locked up…he is a victim only in the sense that his momma & daddy haven’t taught him how to deal with life’s disappointments. Go back & read some of the docs filed detailing his appalling behavior from Sept on towards his coaches when they tried to get him to get his lazy butt in gear. This was college ball, not T-ball…& he blatantly broke the rules about suiting up…didn’t even get his little cell phone removed, & made up a bunch of BS to call daddy about. Daddy abused his position all semester hounding the coaches, & when they finally stopped dealing with his nonsense, he called a regent. All over his kid not getting to play…that is the bottom line. Adam slammed a door so hard it came off the hinges & did $1,100 in damages over not getting more playing time? He should have been thrown off the team then. I’d like to know why he wasn’t, & wonder if Leach was not allowed to let him go? Many coaches & players have said this kid was a pain in the neck on both the baseball & football teams. This is not about a concussion. This is about ego of both James’
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SRV
you are NOT alone…i will not spend a DIME on anything Texas Tech as long as the administration stays the same, and……..i know MANY more who feel the same!
Hang in there SRV, this may take time but……majority DOES rule!!
We just have to hope judge Sowder is NOT in bed with Tech and Hance and will allow Leach the whistleblowers act!!
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This really tops those “Bad New Bears” in all their reincarnations. Hell even add them up and Tech still tops them. That’s why the country is “laughing at us”. There will be a lot of money made via book deals and movies as this has so much drama and angles…
DEVERETT, that fact (we were going to win it all next year and our recruits were just getting bettter every year) the sky was the limit AND that I think Leach was finnally happy to be in Lubbock (not shopping), but heaven know he sure was warranted due to the actions of Tech, is what is really got me MAD AS HELL! Add Tech arrogant attitude and continual mis-steps and disregard to their fans and alumni…One can’t get any madder.
TEAM LEACH.
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THE UNIVERSITY THOUGHT OF LEACH THE WAY LEACH THOUGHT OF ADAM JAMES.
LEACH HAD BECOME A PAIN IN THE NECK AND HAD WORE OUT HIS WELCOME.
OFFICIALS WERE WAITING FOR A GOOD EXCUSE TO FIRE HIM AND THE JAMES INCIDENT CAME ALONG JUST IN TIME.
THE IRONY HERE IS OFF THE CHART. THE REBELLIOUS “PIRATE” GETS A DOSE OF HIS OWN MEDICINE.
INSUBORDINATION AND CUSSING OUT YOUR BOSS WILL PROBABLY GET YOU FIRED TOO.
GIVE IT A TRY TODAY.
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Football Fan
The James incident didn’t just “come along” but admin DID THINK that it wouldn’t be contested because it was CRAIG JAMES. They were wrong.
The emails for Dec 2008 , as EVERYONE KNOWS BY NOW , were the devised plan between Sowell, Hance and Myers to have Leach fired by Dec 31, 2009
how coincidental that CRAIG JAMES showed up just before that Dec 31 deadline…..starting to get the picture football fan?
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Jason, Adam and all the people that support him, go join the service if you can, being locked in a shed , give me a break, you dont have a clue, do you and all the people that just want to move on just because we have a new coach, who cares , the cancer is still there, but you dont understand and never in your lifetime ever will, sad..
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The James incident didn’t just “come along” but admin DID THINK that it wouldn’t be contested because it was CRAIG JAMES. They were wrong.
Maybe they had good reasons? Leach probably was not as vocal when they (Hance) told Mike to give the James kid a scholarship….
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Hiding Behind Sovereign immunity….Hance, Bailey and Myers are free to say ANYTHING, as they do NOT believe Sowder will allow whistleblower and that THIS CASE WILL NEVER GO TO COURT!
They could say Leach fondled their balls, but we would all know that was a lie because THEY DONT HAVE ANY!
We just have to hope that SOWDER is fair and NOT one of the “good old boys” and THEN we can get to the facts!
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To all the bloggers who are not going to give to or buy from anything Tech -
I understand your frustration and maybe I have read into your statements more than what is there, but we do not want to hurt Tech. Take the money you normally give to Tech; the financial equivilent of tickets, shirts, etc. you normally buy; the extra’s you would spend in supporting Tech; and put that money in an escrow account. When Hance and Co. have been dethrowned, then give that money to the school. Make it known that is what you are doing so the state knows there is a positive financial reason to settle this Hance allowed and/or generated fiasco. Let them know the money is there but you cannot and will not allow the current administration to abuse the financial support you give.
Please stay a supporter! The school itself has done nothing wrong and it and the students who attend Tech need our help.
GUNS UP!
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well said golfwoody, i can agree to do that!
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Okay, I did it. I cussed out my boss last night. I was not fired, I was not suspended, and I still get my pay. She just told me to shutup, take out the trash and go to my dog house (shed).
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Funny! The wife will rule.
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Very well said and a great idea,gw, just want to say this and see what others think about this, Why was Adam given a scholarship in the first place, Hance was hired around the same time, the coachesdid not want him here because of his past history,they toldLeach there thoughts,coachs statement, the one at Houston now, he said that was Leachs decision only and he did give Adam a scholarship, was he under pressure to do that? Now, after further evidence from the same coach and former players, Adam continued his same od atitude and attitude of entitlement, why was that allowed, nobody else would get by with that, nobody? Remember Ed Britton? Now go to the ou game and sending Stix in to play that in my opinion should have never happened , not a word,safety of a player, hell he could barely get around, nothing from the ad about that? now we come to the slammed door and 1,100 dollars incident that has not been denied,any playerother than Adam would have been kicked off the team, anybody? nothing, not a suspension, nothing, what does that tell you? sounds to me that Craig had them in his back pocket so to speak and ESPN, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
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Agree, SRV…does anyone know how to find out who the big money supporters/sponsors of a political campaign are?
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“Jason55 said:
Maybe the James family will sue….. both the university and Leach. They have every right to do just that. They are the victims in the while affair. Their son, who had a concussion, was locked up in a shed. This action was done to.”
And Leach doesn’t?
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Iluvpirates, here is one place. You can find others via the internet.
http://www.followthemoney.org/
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New coach Tubby isn’t going to be effective if the board of regents continues to be an elite cry-baby hang-out.
Boy howdy those administrators sure hop-to for the regents – elite service for the elite.
Average fans take note: you’re NOT elite.
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Team Leach will never find out the truth because half of its administrators are Perry supporters. A flash in the fire. I had hope that something would come of it but I see now that it is doomed.
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I’m, in one sense, glad the firing of Leach happened. The lack of integrity, bad behavior, and incompetence of the administration has been fairly common knowledge for a while. But most people didn’t care. It takes an event like the firing of a celebrity coach (basically a provider of entertainment) to finally make us look at the overall picture of corruption, cronyism, and incompetence that is messing up a decent university. We’ve all been aware of it in a minor sense for a while. You see it in the way the city is run as well. Good old boys, money, and politics. It’s always nice to see the sheep wake up to the truth a bit even though they’re part way through the shearing.
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Thanks, golfwoody. I found some sites on the web, but it may still be too soon to see the big backers.
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Hance owns a lot of land north Of Amarillo, info on his webpage , comment from Leach about Craig James and not playing Adam, Hance and I are business partners and there has been rumors about a wind farm, deeds of land purchased and signatures on them should be public record?
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How many games were televised of Tech before Hance was hired and how many after?
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Like I say, nothing is going to happen from Team Leach. Half the administrators have Rick Perry site in their favorites folder. How are they going to do any good when Perry appointed these regents that fired Leach. These boys are in the pocket of the big boys.
The least they could do is remove Perry’s website from their pages.
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That certainly needs to be looked into, wonder if its not allready? If not it should be, unbelivable, there is no telling how deep this goes and who it involves, hopefully it will all come out like puke does..
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Is that large wind farm in Crosby County?
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They have himon sped dial and a picture of him in their home and office, I have a picture of Ricky boy above my commode.. at home..
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Since I do not have to spend the time or money dealing with it – I wish the James’ would sue. There would be an immediate countersuit and would open them to disclosure. All kinds of interesting things would come out about the James Clan and their intentions. At least he would not have time to waste taxpayers dollars with a senate run. With all the documentation on Adam James that goes back to high school about his attitude, laziness and his hovering dad; and the documentation and allocations about his life in and out of football at Tech that goes back to when he first arrived; it would be a media zoo. Just what the James’ need. That’s the reality show we need on TV. I might actually watch that one. It is my guess that what Baby James did to Daddy James’ already questionable reputation, he may have spent the last week actually locked in real shed in Celina.
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Crosby county, could be or other wind farm countys,this needs to be investigated, wonder IF Perry is involved and the Regents,maybe this is why they wont do nothing????
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They can’t be doing much since they claim to have 61,000 members and as reported in the AJ a few days ago, Rick Perry’s office has only received 200 letters and 85 telephone calls and that with the web site furnishing form letters. I made two of those telephone calls myself before they changed their mission and I discovered their political ties. BYE- BYE.
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I hope that Craigdoes run for Senator. if Hutchinson was smart and anyone eelse running for Senator ,they would look into Craigs and Hance and why Perry is sitting on his butt and not doing nothing,Regents, I would dig up all the dirt on them, Im sure theres plenty and it would be a slam dunk to be voted in?
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Jim Beard, I just emailed the governor’s office myself…I think we need to keep up the pressure…who let you know only 200 had written him? I tend to think they are lying about that number.
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In the “not based on anything real that I am sure of ” category –
1. Adam James knows he is not going to be playing much, if at all in the Alamo Bown, so why practice?
2. Adam gets in a fight and takes a blow or two to the head. Apparently too lazy to duck. Though Dad would take the blow for him again.
3. He reports for medical attention and is told he has a mild concussion. He knows this secures the fact he will not play in San Antonio.
4. If not playing why still be in Lubbock? He may as well go home so he can hang out with old friends.
5. Knows Leach will say “no” because it is unfair to the team so he comes up with a plan. Get sent home.
6. He pushes the buttons he knows will upset not only Leach but all the coaches – lazy and attitude. He is told to “walk the field” like everyone who is in his condition is told to do. He, in front of all the coaches and the entire team, never get more than 40 or 50 yards down the field. It backfires when he is sent to a building larger than any dorm room and most off-campus apartments. (Was larger than my converted garage apartment and I did not have an ice machine, a fan and medical attention right outside the door.)
7. Adam then shows up really pushing the buttons, being in street clothes with sun gla$$es and cell phone – all known no-no’s. Leach can’t send him to medical because it is a discipline problem. He can’t send him home because it is a team violation and he can’t do that to the team. He can’t make him sit and watch because it is a determent to the moral of the team. He has to keep him close and there is no other place other than the media room. Adam can’t believe he didn’t get sent home, so while he sits there he devises a plan and calls dad. Dad, who like Hance, does not bother to actually search for the truth, goes into knee-jerk mode. (A fine qualification for a senator or chancellor.)
8. Adam is not sent home for Christmas, but thanks to his dad and the Tech administration he has become an internet media darling – such as the “Who is Tougher than Adam James” websites that show up all over the country. Showing things like kittens. (an example of one: http://utefans.net/message.php?id=950102) Google “Who is tougher than Adam James” and see there are sites from Alabama to Ohio to Utah. Great press Dad. Did Spaeth set these up too?
9. Craig James and Kent Hance realize this an embarrasement to themselves and their families so they take advantage of a bad thing and point the finger at a common enemy.
Just a story.
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There appears to be some news on who is being retained for the coaching staff…
Could someone please provide an update?
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I would like to know where Adam and Craig James’ are? And the status of the recruits.
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Off the fence
The status of our recruits is for the most part in tact. We have had one recruit decommit and continue visiting other schools, however he has not completely thrown out Texas Tech. He is scheduled for an additional visit here in the coming weeks
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If you were on Team Leach you would not be allowed to talk about the James’s since their new mission statement.
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If I was a recruit and could go anywhere, especially here with to Tech withall of this controversy and uncertainess, and being continued being run by corrupt individuals and a coach and his staff being hired direcyly or indirectly, I personally would have too much pride and principals to come here to this rathole. especially when I could go elsewhere..
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NO matter if the rats are found guilty or not they will stay here in their rathole or if found guilty and go to jail or whatever, resign, fired, retire,and whatever options they have will simply go on to another rathole and not give it another thought, wish I can be there on theeir judgement day.
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Jim Beard we could but we would clarify that we were speaking not “TEAM LEACH” we can have mulitple views on different things, kind of like multitasking, you ever heard of that?
We are united in one goal…getting to the truth of what happend!
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Jim Beard, since I never joined Team Leach, could you fill me in on what you are talking about?
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I agree that Kay Bailey Hutchinson is the ONLY one who could blow this wide open. Every stinking one of the “Rats” are in Gov. Perry’s pocket—Even Craig James has his endorsement for Senator. I fear Judge Sowder is going to follow the leader & shut down the truth as well. If Hutchinson blows the whistle & asks for an IMPARTIAL fomal investigation & takes SWORN statements from ALL involved…All the way to the TOP…Their house of cards would come tumbling down. (Anyone remember Watergate??) This is such a HUGE CONSPIRACY of illegal activities. Everyone should start writing/petitioning Hutchinson to start a little investigating of her own. It would be a WIN for her, but more importantly, for TEXAS TECH!!
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Iluvpirates come on go ahead and join us, we would welcome you….
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&gid=233352393576
TEAM LEACH … is also a place to show that Team Leach members do not agree with the way the Texas Tech administration handled the dismissal of Coach Leach.
We are not here to bash the James family or show our disdain for the new coach chosen to lead the football program.
We are a forum that is searching for the truth and pursuing that goal through positive means and in a professional manner. Nothing more nothing less.
We will have a huge rally on Jan. 14th @ Memorial Circle
http://www.teamleach.org
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And Jim, they do not want the TEAM LEACH Facebook page to be about James, that’s all. Got it?
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Thanks, Watchdog…what is Jim talking about not being able to talk about the James?
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Oh, okay….I see already…another quote taken out of context by Jim…
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Tech did not want to pay coach leach and would not honor their contract…this is what happen… adam james is a joke and still a 3rd team player as he always will be…….his daddy will continue to help him thru life….
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I am sad to see all these comments. TTU should have never acted as so. There are laws in place to protect employees, especially those with contracts. It’s the principle of the action that is so disturbing. If TTU can railroad an employee, then all employers have the doors open to do the same with their employees. And by the way, you can sue your employer. Those of you that say you should not sue your employer—sound fearful. Stand up for your rights. Thank God Leach is standing up for his.
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Either her or Cornyn, they would be heroes in the mind of many especially by Texans, real Texans, that still belive in truth, justice and proud to be a Texan not a Hance or Myers or take your pick, real Texans will not stand and let this insanity continue
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Anyone know if Adam was able to get daddy to buy him a spot on another team somewhere? I’m sure he’d love SMU as it is probably close enough to home to go home every night to get tucked in.
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Let’s email Kay & let her know our vote for governor is not a sure thing, & she could at least make this an issue for Perry to have to look into if he thinks support is going her way…
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Why does everyone forget the Democratic opponents? Do we really just have one party in Texas?
Farque or whatever his name is, is running against White and both has a good chance of winning against Perry.
The Attorney General spot is also wide open…
Senator I don’t know anything, but there will be an opponent.
You get this cronism when one party rules.
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Watchdog, most people outside of Harris county are NOT impressed with White & feel he did a pretty poor job with that city.
The dems are NOT providing a decent choice, again!
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Good thought, e- mail them too, matbe they might have a good chance as you well know this is a republican state except in some places,, but thats another issue,,
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But Perry has pi$$ed a lot of people off and he might finnally have burned too many bridges….
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Team Leach doesn’t care about your political affiliation…61,000 people…most of them Texas voters…mean a whole lot to Perry, Hutchinson, everyone, Republican and Democrat alike.
Perry appoints these guys and he needs to know that we are watching what happens very closely.
Sowell and these guys contribute lots of money but they only get one vote…what would 50,000 votes be worth to Perry next year?
Keep up the pressure and GO TEAM LEACH!
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attention eveyone that reads this blog and belives in truth, and Team leach, e- mail team leach and advise them to e- mail Hutchinson and Cornyn and the democrat candidates alsoyou can dothis on your owna nd e- mail Kcbd also and other media, and ask them why they are sitting on their buts and letting these people get by with this and no one is getting straight answers and these rats are not being investigated
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Yes, John one man one vote, unless you build the voting machines and are not required to have paper trail…
There are some voting issues that need to be addressed. Another place to discuss, but keep in mind and think about.
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2 answers: soverign immunity and don’t want to rock the boat that they think feeds them.
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Watchdog, it is true what you say about Perry, but you vote White & we’ll end up looking like California in a few years. Completely broke.
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I just heard that Lincoln Riley will not be retained by the Tubberville staff. He has been released from Texas Tech. This is an absolute STUPID moved by Tubberville. All of our recruits on the offensive side of the ball were recruited by Riley, and now that he is gone…….. You can kiss all of our 4-Star recruits gone as well. The only chance we had of holding onto those recruits on the offensive side of the ball was to keep Riley.
Good luck next year Tech!!
Wreck Em!!!
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I think we are pretty boke now. At least when Leach wins….The yahoos are everywhere.
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Nobody’s asked aout the Ŧ. What kind of fans are you?
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This is hilarious….. To the person way back up there who suggested joining the service…. I agree. Good idea. I’m a ‘Nam Vet. Most of you weren’t born when I served my country.
As for being an Adam supporter, I’m really not. My biggest complaint—perhaps my only complaint —is the stupid thing Leach did. Then the coach refused to apologize. What he did was wrong. It doesn’t matter if he did it to a star player or a slacker. It doesn’t matter if the player was rich or poor.
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My biggest complaint—perhaps my only complaint —is the stupid thing Leach did.
Was that caving into Hance’s demand to give a scholarship to James?
I would have to agree.
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Jason55, go read the docs filed in court detailing what happened.
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JASON 55
Look what Leach did was unorthodox for sure……. however I see no problem with what he did. He didn’t place the kid in harms way, didn’t have the door shut on the “Shed”. All he really did was hurt the “CryBaby’s” feelings along with his daddy’s feelings. They way coaching has gotten these days its a wonder anyone still wants to coach. You can’t talk to them boldly, discipline them, or anything else. How are you supposed to coach when you have a administration that governs everything you do. Ridiculous!!
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Team Leach what does that tell you and others, it tells me that u no who is behind this and there are actually people that will support mr. shined shoes, unbelivable, unite the fan base, and what is thy bidding my master? insanity.
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JASON, anyone can say that doesnt make it so, remember brian dennehy? you bic?
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The housecleaning of the Leach’s staff continues. Will Leach be at the Save Leach rally to apologize to his coaches for costing them their jobs?
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C’mon, cut the b.s., Team Leach is a lynch mob, nothing more, nothing less
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Eloren:
Do you have any idea what you are talking about. Coach Leach’s staff loved him. Do you really think there is any anger from them to Leach. Sure they are out of a job, but this is what happens when you hire a Shmuck to run the program. Hopefully Coach Leach will land a job soon and take his staff that got “Fired” with him.
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C’mon, cut the b.s., Team Leach is a lynch mob, nothing more, nothing less
Ask Tennessee about Lynch mobs!!!
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As to Jim Beard’s comment that the governor’s office had only received 200 comments….I actually got a response from http://www.txgop.org spokesperson saying that they appreciated my comment, had received many prior, & were expecting they’d continue to get many more judging the volume of email. I really doubt the 200 number…I don’t doubt they don’t want to let anyone know the true number.
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eloren/nerole…go back to the Houston chron & Austin rag you frequent looking to cut down any team that isn’t UT…
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If he was there he would congratulate them for getting out of this rathole , Ido, they can go to other football programs and the rats can go to another rat hole or stay here in their rathole they created here, Hance and co, Eloren..
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Jason and others you no10. you bookoo , dinky dou. ha. ha.
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SRV, your posts tend to be quite immature. Do you actually read what you type before you hit the submit comment button?
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go back toyour rathole, jason with all the other rats you admire and take all the other rat s with you, ha.ha.
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Jason55 -
I am not trying to make a point or looking for a fight, I just do not understand your side of the “shed” argument. You have stated your view many times on this and appear to be at least near my age, so I turn to you for clarity. Please help me to understand why standing and sitting and sleeping in an unlocked garage sized building and a media room with a trainer outside the door is so bad.
Would have it been okay if he would have gone inside and had to sit in an even smaller office? If yes, help me to understand the difference. Would it have been better if he had made James do some other sort of exercise instead of the walking he was a$$igned to do, but did not – in street clothes with a cell phone? Would it have been okay if he did not have a mild concussion? If so, how does that really make a difference since all he was doing was fooling around while he was in there (i.e. the cell phone video)? If you had been in Leach’s position those days, what would you have done instead? These are questions I have and makes me unclear on your viewpoint.
I am not looking for a fight or to enter into any sort of name calling, I just want to know what it is I may be mi$$ing. I am truly open, but do not understand your side. I leave myself open to your clarifying. Thank you in advance.
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They don’t want tot debate or explain themselves. Soverign immunity you know….
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tortillas at the rally?
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Formerfan
Kay Bailey was sitting with Hance at the Alamo Bowl.
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…be funny to make Gerald pick’m up, since he loves them sooo!
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Kay Bailey was sitting with Hance at the Alamo Bowl.
Whole party probably stinks…protecting their own. But someone will break with enough “pressure”.
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any connections between pantex, hance, and james?
http://www.thebioenergysite.com/news/3689/texas-tech-and-pantex-in-28-million-wind-project
http://lubbockonline.com/stories/011310/fea_547512182.shtml
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Good job, SALLY, these articles speak volumes and so does the Firing of the coaching staff today,cant e- mail the senatorstheyre republicans, no offense, need to go out side the box?
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COBRA, too bad Kinky’s out. :-) That’s out of the BOX!
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In a previous entry someone mentioned Hance owning land north of Amarillo. Is that a fact or was it a question? Is the land the same as in the articles sally provided? If it is the same, or his land is close by, there may be a need to investigate.
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Iluvpirates, you mean the AJ is simply reporting what they are told or do you think they should report what you SPECULATE!
I’m already hearing the black helicopters doing exercises around the so called team leach.
How many did you have at your first rally on Memorial Circle, 10,000 LOL!
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probably got land all over….
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No jim it’s call journalism. Research and find out the story. Facts and truth checking. Geez. Show your intelegence once again!
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Lets see Watchdog, you want the NEWSPAPER tp print what you Speculate happened?
Are we the readers supposed to guess what the Governors office said or what you thought they said.
You have also made another point, few news papers excepting local papers are even following the firing anymore, they are reporting the new hires.
You have a group that is supposed to be 61,000 strong, so tell me why are your posting almost 2 minutes apart. With 61,000 energetic posters on one topic, is should be smo’kin.
Paper tigers.
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Lets see Watchdog, you want the NEWSPAPER tp print what you Speculate happened?
No I want them to work and find out the truth! whatever that may be…
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team leach = team TRUTH !! don’t forget to show up tomorrow!! jim beard, you are also invited!
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***If you have not already read this – do so!!!***
http://lubbockcountyregister.blogspot.com/2010/01/techs-toxic-chancellor.html
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Iluvpirates said:
“Watchdog, it is true what you say about Perry, but you vote White & we’ll end up looking like California in a few years. Completely broke.”
Not possible. The state constitution requires that the state is on a pay as you go basis. No governor, Dem. or Rep. can spend money unless they have it. Why do you think Perry wanted to use the TRS retirement fund for one of his pet projects?
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golfwoody, we are probably not close in age…. If we are then you are definitely a senior citizen. Thank you for your intelligent, thoughtful post. Maybe it will rub off on others.
Very briefly — and I know I’ve said it before — what Leach did was in my opinion was wrong. Adam James may have been a slacker. He may be lazy, rich, cocky, self-centered, arrogant, etc. But no matter if these apply to Adam or not…. he was diagnosed as having a concussion. A concussion should be taken seriously. As I understand it Coach Leach was very miffed at Adam for showing up in street clothes and not prepared to practice. Leach lost his cool and had Adam held in a shed, or whatever. And yes I know this place was not a maximum security prison but that’s irrelevant. Leach let the circumstances get the best of him and unwisely decided to humiliate Adam, and I’m sure it worked. In my opinion Leach could simply sent Adam to his room and dealt with him later. At some later time he could have started procedures to revoke Adam’s scholarship if he felt that strongly about it.
Later, Leach was asked to apologize for his actions. Believing that he was untouchable, he refused.
It’s a sad situation. Leach lost his job and I’m sure Adam will be pressured to leave the school. I know I’m in the minority here…. and that’s ok……. Leach got Leach fired. I hope he gets a chance to work his wide open offense at another school or perhaps the NFL. It is exciting football.
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If your group is 61,000 strong, surely there is someone that can convince David Letterman to stop making jokes about Leach’s closet.
Do you know President Obama watches ESPN news every morning and and the only TV they let their daughters watch is Disney. Nickelodeon and sports with their father. So according to Headline News. I would think he would have made a comment if Leach was done wrong but so far, NO politician has defended Leach.
Of course Perry appointed the regents and he is going to make sure whatever is discovered is beneficial to him sine most of Team Leach administrators are pro Perry.
61,000 strong and no power.
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leach supported kay bailey? regents were asked to resign for their support of kay bailey……maybe he was a kay bailey supporter and that is why he got fired!!
http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=11120348
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SRV wrote — “go back toyour rathole, jason with all the other rats you admire and take all the other rat s with you, ha.ha.
SRV, please tell us you are not a Tech graduate….
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“”"”No I want them to work and find out the truth! whatever that may be”"”"”
Well, don’t you imagine if it were not the truth, the Austin American Statesman would have picked up on it? They live in the same towns and possibly same neighborhoods as people who work in the Capitiol. The best I can remember they are a Democrat newspaper and would have an extra incentive to find out. So far we haven’t heard anything from them to the contrary.
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Leach is a big boy – he can fight his own battles – move on- it’s HISTORY – NEW YEAR = NEW COACH – YEA!!
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Wonder where that land is close to Pantex for the wind farm and let me guess who owns it,I read it too , it all makes sense now, what kind of people we are dealing with.
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I hope Leach wins it all and get lots ‘o Tech money.
In the meantime, Tech fans and players were lied to by Tuberville. He said it would be crazy to mess with the success of Tech’s offense….so what does he do? He gets rid of Lincoln Riley and is bringing in a guy that couldn’t even beat Central Michigan. Not only that, but Tech’s recruiting program is now going to go down the tubes. Not only are the offensive recruits not going to want to play under Tuberville’s boring running scheme, but the defensive recruits that liked Ruffin aren’t going to want to go to school at Tech either.
So let’s survey the damage Myers and Hance have brought us. We go from the top 25 recruiting program in the nation to who knows what. We go from an all-world offense back to 3 yards and a cloud of dust. As one writer said, Tuberville prefers winning games 14-10 instead of 55-10.
Ain’t it great Tech fans? We’re essentially back to boring Spike Dykes football. And all for NOTHING…..not one thing. Writers are saying Tech could have been in place to compete for #1 in the Big 12 South division if Leach had stayed. But now, even if they do well, it won’t be the same. Back to boring, mediocre football and trying to convince players why they should come to Lubbock to fight the dust and play in just another boring system. Don’t forget, this “great” new Tech coach went 5-7 in his last year at Auburn. Great coaches don’t go 5-7. They just don’t.
I realize people are touting the new offensive coordinator as the best thing since sliced bread. But the facts are….NOBODY did it as well as Leach and it wasn’t even close. We HAD the best coach and got rid of him for nothing.
Texas Tech nation seems to know they are being played for fools. But there’s nothing we can do….except protest loudly by withholding our support and money. That’s not going to happen, no matter how mad people are about the Leach situation.
Talk about deja vu. This is going to be like going back 15 years. Back to when people heard the name Texas Tech and just shrugged their shoulders.
We have been lied to, and we have Myers, Hance and Bailey to thank for it. And this new Tubby coach…..he’s not exactly starting out well by lying to the Tech faithful. He said nothing much would change. And ever since he arrived, it’s done nothing BUT change, and change very significantly. Even Gil Brandt (of the Dallas Cowboys) couldn’t believe Lincoln Riley was let go. In his words…..”If you can find a better 26 year old offensive coach, I’d like to see him.” But Tubby threw him aside like trash. This doesn’t exactly look like we have the brightest guy coming in.
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Team Leach says they are after the truth, but at the end of the day will any answers appease them? And sadly enough, many of their repeat posters admit they aren’t even Tech Alum. They also keep quoting their 60K plus members and how can that many people be wrong. Well, look how many followers Hitler had. Enough said!
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TTU4EVER
do you have to be a tt alum to join team leach and demand the truth?
what’s your point?
I’m not a member of team leach
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Thanks for the reply. It helps. But, if it is okay with you, let me ask a couple of more questions I am not sure you addre$$ed (or I just flat out mi$$ed).
1. How did being in the “shed” have a po$$ible adverse effect on James’ concussion. I sense you feel it was unnece$$arily humiliating, but I have not yet made the connection regarding the concussion. Am I to a$$ume if he was a good player in perfect health and just did some bone-headed thing that players do, it would still not be okay to use the “shed” (though we may all have been taken out behind the wood shed in out younger years.)
2. Do you believe James should have been forgiven for his behavior at those practices and allowed to remain on the team? And in that same light, do you feel Leach should have been forgiven (by Hance and Co.) and allowed to coach the Alamo Bowl and remained coach? I know this gets into whether Leach feels he did no wrong so what is there to apologize for, etc., etc., but what I am looking for is if Adam James had not called daddy, therefore daddy would not have called the regents, but if Hance just happened to be observing practice and he asked about it, would he then have done anything? Meaning either he would not thought it was any big deal, or he would have forgiven everyone and moved on, or we would be where we are now? Not sure I wrote that clearly but hopefully you can make out what I am asking.
BTW, I am 60 and also a Viet Nam vet.
Thanks again.
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Doh! Sorry my last reply was aimed at Jason55.
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I realize people “want the truth” but that group (which I was a member of until it got out of control) acts like the world is coming to an end and sound a bit psychotic about the whole issue. My point is there are ups and downs in life. We have all done things to dissappoint people at some point. Life is too short to not let things go!
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gw, if you havent signed a full contract doesnt that mean you are not officially hired or am I mising something here with our new coach, ?
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Well I graduated from Texas Tech. I was also born in Lubbock. I have worked for large corporations and now own my business. Looser managers say one thing to your face and do horrible things behind your back….aka politicians. Hance has got to go. Remember what Mahatma Gandhisaid, “A “No” uttered from deepest conviction is better and greater than a “Yes” merely uttered to please, or what is worse, to avoid trouble.” . Therefore, Bailey has got to go and Myers has got to go.
You people that keep harping about Leach are just boneheaded. IT IS NOT ABOUT LEACH COMING BACK! It is about bringing honor back to Texas Tech and getting rid of all the riff raff, whoever they may be. You act like a bunch of liberals that think they are right because they scream louder.
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I was waiting on someone to pull the Hitler card, it is all the rage nowdays. I just expected it to be used by Team Leach not against them.
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Gw,Imnot a smart man but it seems to me that heis trying to get you to change your focus onto him and that way he can get you off your train of thought?
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yeah and all the people that support the rats need to go anddrink coolaid with Jim Jones..
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ldsknack.
Who is calling for Leach’s return????? NOONE!!!!
We want the truth!!
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I predict ‘Ol Tub is gonna be Tech’s John Mackovic
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JimBeard, your assumption that no other newspapers are still following this are ridiculous. Dallas & Houston have had an article about this in their sports section daily. Maybe it isn’t news in other states, but there is enough to keep the regents, administrators & James looking like idiots.
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If this even goes to trial the issues will be first, was there mistreatment of an injured player ? I think most would agree this was punishment rather than medical treatment. Leach has implied his actions were meant to be punishment, but he denies giving the orders (shed etc). I dont understand Leach saying what he ordered was intended to be helpful to the players medical condition when he first states it was punishment only. Second, Did Tech tell Leach to aplogize ? Third, Did they ask him to agree in writing not to repeat what Tech felt was inappropriate treatment of an injured player ? I think the answer to both are , yes. Then, did Leach use profanity and inappropriate language directed to his superiors, or was this just shop talk ? Did his bosses speak in the same manner to him ? I bet Tech’s position is that at least some did not use inappropriate language and that Leach did. This alone can be cause to fire him. Finally, was Leach cooperative in resolving these disputes or was his suing Tech also an act of being insubordinate ? I think the test will be who’s actions caused the most damage to Tech- Leach’s or Tech’s. That could be a toss up ? We all know Tech had the right to fire Leach so the issue is can they prove cause. I am thinking the above is enough for a good defense by Tech, though one could question if that decision was in Tech’s best interests. All this is assuming Tech cant hide behind immunity. My guess is Leach is about a 50 to 1 underdog at this moment. If Leach doesnt think James was treated wrongfully, but Hance and his group did- then Leach as an employee was insubordinate by not following their instructions.. I think the worst judgement was Leach’s not waiting til after his 800,000 bonus date passed. He now would have to prove that Tech fired him days before this purposefully inorder to avoid that payment. Thats hard to prove given Leach was the one pushing for an earlier decision. Leach cant win at this point because he has made himself almost unemployable in college football. his claim that Tech intended to fire him when they extended his contract is nothing short of insanity. I dont support the decision to fire him. I do support Tech had every reason required inorder to fire him. Leachs offense this time was a big gamble and it looks like its a 3 and out, or 4th and 35 at best. That James or Hance arent good guys really isnt a factor in this court case, is it ?
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golfwoody, just a brief reply:
1. Leach essentially abrogated Adam’s medical condition and “locked” him up. That’s wrong. As it turns out Adam didn’t suffer from being locked up….. outside of being humiliated. And the humiliation… to a degree… will last a life time. The way I see it Leach’s attitude was “concussion or not I’m locking you up.”
2. “Shed time” for a player in perfectly good health isn’t a big issue with me outside the fact I believe a coach could find more effective ways to “adjust” a player’s poor attitude.
3. I believe if Hance had visited the practice field and found Adam was locked in a shed that he would have confronted the coach, which of course is complete conjecture on my part.
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Jason55 -
I very much appreciate your discussion on this. I believe when we get to the bottom line you and I are not at the same place, but I don’t think we are that far apart. The one thing we agree on is that we want the best for Tech.
Thanks!
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Jason55
1. I remember being humiliated when my dad forced me to return candy after I took it from a restaurant when I was little. Yes that suck with me my entire life. James should also learn his lesson!
2. That’s a difference of opinion and not worthy of termination, maybe not renewal of contract but not firing.
3. It was not LOCKED! Got it?
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Jason55, unless daddy Craig is prepared to employ Adam all his life, he missed a great opportunity to teach the kid from day one about responsibility, work ethic, etc…now Adam will think he has to love his boss (& his boss love him) in every job, no one can say anything to hurt his feelings, etc…kids are no more special than they were decades ago…parents have messed up with making them believe the universe revolves around them & rules only apply if they like them.
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In my opinion, Chancellor Hance handled this perfectly. He didn’t ask for or want this problem, but he dealt with it extremely well. If it had been me, it would not have taken so long to get rid of The Leech.
As to his credentials, the Chancellor bleeds red and black. He got his law degree at UT because Tech did not yet have a law school.
He has been incredibly successful as a businessman while also working as an attorney and lobbyist. He has amassed quite a fortune, and he is a self-made man.
He played basketball and was apparently pretty good. He became good friends with Coach Bob Knight, and I believe the Chancellor has endowed one of the basketball scholarships. That puts him in a rare breed of Tech athletic supporters.
He was a professor at Tech back in the 70’s. He had a law practice here in Lubbock. He grew up in West Texas and represented West Texas in Congress. He’s not someone just passing through.
He gave up millions of dollars in personal income annually to provide his unique expertise to Tech.
He has donated a lot of money to Tech, and he has raised a huge amount of money for Tech.
His primary goal is to get Tech to the Next Level. That means Tier I funding, though he would also love to help Tech get to the Next Level in football. He is uniquely qualified and connected to lead the Tier I effort, and he has helped make Tech the leader in the clubhouse for this funding.
Chancellor Hance went out and raised the additional money needed to get the stadium expansion moving. Construction would not have gotten underway on the Easy Side without the Chancellor’s campaign and personal contacts.
In the worst economy in modern memory, he has raised more money for Tech than any previous Chancellor.
He is extremely well-connected politically as a former United States Congressman.
He is a great PR guy — wonderful speaker who entertains people.
He loves sports. I am sure Tech has never had a Chancellor who loves sports as much as Chancellor Hance. Few universities have.
If my highest-paid employee had done something like this, and since it was a Board member who brought it to the attention of the Tech Administration, a Board conference call was totally appropriate. If I had been on the Board, I would have recommended his termination, too, unless we could be assured that nothing like this would ever happen again. Even then, I might have voted to fire him on the spot. As a corporate CEO for most of my 40-year career, I would have been scared to death about the legal implications and naturally concerned for the well-being of every student athlete. What if this happened to Sticks or Batch during the Spring and, Heaven forbid, one of them died? Then it comes out that Tech’s football coach had been accused of this before, and the administration did little or nothing. Can you spell punitive damages?
The facts of what really happened have been horribly distorted by the ridiculously insane Pro-Leach people.
Chancellor Hance absolutely did not want this to happen. I know. All Leach had to do was PRETEND to be a decent human being. If he had acknowledged “receipt” of the policies for human treatment of student athletes, he would still be coach. If he had simply bit his lip and kind of apologized to the James family, he would still be coach. If he had agreed to not put student athletes at risk, he would still be coach. If he hadn’t sued his employer, he might still be coach. Thank God he didn’t do any of those simple things, because Tech know has one of the top coaches in the country – one of the only major college coaches to ever have two undefeated seasons. We also have the Assistant Head Coach from the national champion Alabama Crimson Tide as our Defensive Coordinator.
What has Chancellor Hance done for us lately? Many have said that if a team just had the quality of defense played in the SEC with the quality of offense played in the Big 12 South, it would be hard to beat. We’ve got the coaches now who have demonstrated the ability to make this happen.
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I am starting a Team Jason55 support group.
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Reasonably intelligent Raider,
You give new meaning to the word Reasonably. Look back in 12 months and read your blog. You will regret it.
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rEASONABLY INTELLIGENT RAIDER, YOU ARE WRONG,KENT HANCEIS CORRUPT AND EVIL PERSON,YOUNEED TO INVESTIGATE HIM ,ALL OF THE CORRUPT THINGS HE HAS DONE WILL COME OUT..
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Attend the “Reach for Leach” Rally
on Thursday, January 14, 2010 at 1:00 p.m.
Team Leach will gather at Memorial Circle,
on the north side of the Circle,
and the Rally is expected to last for one hour.
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Team Leach = mental masturbation
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Reasonably Intelligent Raider -
For me, there are so many things about your post which I totally disagree. But I will keep my comments to my opinion about Hance. He may have been a wonderful child, a model student and the greatest thing to have ever driven through Dimmitt. He may have accomplished a lot in life and be known by important names throughout the world. He may have given tons and tons of money to Tech and starving orphans. BUT – liars are liars and it is my opinion he is a liar. If you spend time on the internet you will find that not everyone loves him as much as you. Many believe he is little more than a mafia don. Thanks to his mishandling of the Leach situation there are people now digging where others did not dig before and they are specifically looking for him. I believe he is a dear friend to many, but has no problem sleeping at night after manipulating deals that cost people their jobs, self-respect and possibly their lives. Just my opinion, but you do not have to scratch the dirt too deeply to find his negative influence. He should do himself and Tech a favor and get the hell out of Lubbock.
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Where is Jason55?
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golfwoody, a man with integrity!
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Jason55 you avoiding us?
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Sue the boosters, they don’t have sorveign immunity.
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A couple questions for the “Reasonably Intelligent Raider”:
You are certainly entitled to your apparent admiration for Chancellor Hance, but why do you not address the apparent failure to adhere to the terms of Coach Leach’s contract? You said that as a CEO you would consider firing him “on the spot”, but isn’t that opening yourself up to more problems than following the established procedures that both parties had agreed to regarding the termination process?
Lastly, you said “The facts of what really happened have been horribly distorted by the ridiculously insane Pro-Leach people.”
Here’s YOUR chance to set the record straight … we’re waiting.
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Just let him coach his farwell game, that would have done a lot. Fire him after that. Kind of a no brainer to me.
But NO…we couldn’t allow that. Big bull headed Hance would not let respect and honor play into that.
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Chancellor KH is a liar. He’s a proven liar. The emails clearly demonstrate that.
Joe said it correctly above. TTU football will be just another one of the booring programs dominated by running and strong defense. TTU will resemble Alabama to some degree.
Tubs says he wants to keep the spread offense but fires anyone at TTU with any experience along those lines at the college employing the spread offense with the most success.
Kent Hance needs to go. People talk about Mike Leach being an egomaniac. We can clearly see who the egomaniac really is. Mike Leach could have very well been an egomaniac. But, Bobby Knight was not? Bobby Knight punched the AD and chased him around the salad bar at a local restaurant and into the parking lot afterwards. Perhaps that was what ML should have done to earn the chancellor’s respect? Instead, they called ML insubordinate for punishing a smart a$$ed kid who was 12th on the depth chart for being number 1 on the pest chart with he and his helecopter dad double-teaming the coach for more playing time.
Adam needs to go play at SMU. I will boo him when he steps on to the field everytime.
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…..Reasonable Intelligent Raider…….. I read your post from the 13th. I have no comment on Hance…as a person or Tech ‘fan’. As for Hance as a “businessman”, we, and I mean Tech fans, real Tech fans will never know the level of financial disaster that will be realized by the firing of Mike Leach.
I hawked cokes in Jones Stadium as a 10/11 year old in the seasons of 71′ and 72′, I sat throught some of Tech’s worst ever games and seasons in 40 years and have supported them through it all. Prior to Leach, the only really successful season was in 1976. Spike was fune and down to earth and we had a couple of good teams……but for years….the only teams we would fill Jones Stadium for was the annual tu or atm games or if by chance we brought in a big name school to play in our stadium.
Last year when Tech was trying to settle Leach’s contract, I did research on the past years. Only during the Leach era did Tech fans FILL Jones Stadium for the likes of Southeastern Louisiana, UTEP, Nevada, SMU, SE Louisana, Eastern New Mexico, North Texas, etc. Approximately 30,000 fans was about the average before Leach for those pre-conference schools and lower conference schools in the days of the Southwest Conference. During Leach……48,000 – 50,000 fans.
Folks, start doing some simple math when the attendance at Tech games goes back to the days of old as far as attendance goes. 15,000 fans, mostly from out of town, tickets not sold, hotel rooms not rented, meals not eaten, merchandise and automobile fuel not purchased…etc…the City and Community of Lubbock loses.
A conventional offense and a good defense will a) not get athletes to Lubbock, b) will not be exciting, and c) not bring attendance to home games.
Tech fans have proven over the years to be fickle……….”fair weather” fans………. We need excitement… entertainment……. potential of something big to happen. We filled up United Spirit Arena under Bobby Knight………. for that very reason. Even Bobby Knight could not bring the caliber of athlete to Tech to rise to the upper echelon and consistently compete but we filled the arena for the excitement, fun, entertainment and potential for the unknown………
Under Leach we all…me included ….got behind Tech teams over the last 10 years that had average won-loss records because it was exciting…win or lose. We witnessed more than several times our Team beating others with Leach’s style. No one out there has shown …yet… to be as successful or make their team as exciting as ours. Leach wanted to be at Tech……
Our style filled Jones Stadium, brought National attention, allowed for not one but two stadium expansions, put athletes in the Pro’s….pick something…… it all added up to financial success… and was fun.
From a business perspective….Hance’s move will prove to be a financial disaster.
Someone with real business knowledge please tell me how “insubordination” makes for THE reason of firing someone that has the highest level of financial impact on a “business” that Mike Leach has had……… Please tell me they have something more than “insubordination”…….
As for “dribble, dribble, pass, pass” Gerald Myers….I agree with one blogger’s post from a few days ago…………. no other school has a former NO GOOD basketball coach as their AD. I watched Gerald Myers ruin some of the best athletes with his stupid style of basketball, scream and yell at kids on the bench and demean them in front of all the fans……….he is worthless……..
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Down here in Texas nobody messes with Texas University for very long. Some who do, go away quietly as the Hogs did. Others who build there programs up enough to be competitive with the University find themselves in trouble with the NCAA, ie. SMU, TCU and the University of Houston. If a competitive University has influence, Coaching problems may arise as it did over the years at A&M. If you recall some strange things happened dating back to Bear and Jackie Sherrill. Not to mention that craziness that went on with Francione. Remember he left the mighty University of Alabama in the middle of the night to go and wreck the wrecking crew at A&M. Maybe if he was influenced by a third party it would explain why he did not have the courage to say good bye to his Tide. If you are not at least staring to wonder that something maybe going on behind the scene, I ask you. Who in their right mind would turn the Burnet kid who was like a Pro pocket passer in high school into a running option Quarterback in college as did Fran.
Now comes Texas Tech and Mike Leach, as they move the ball rather freely against Texas and rise up and trounce Oklahoma in 09.When I heard the word that Tech’s Mike Leach was suspended for the Alamo Bowl game I thought it was a misprint. Then when I heard it was true and it involved the James family. Well, it’s just a rich white boy, son of a ESPN announcer who wasn’t getting enough catches. All year I wondered why they weren’t throwing to Craig’s boy more. Maybe looking back they should have. If the James’s were a bit disgruntled that might have opened the trap door for this coup.
My thoughts were enhanced by a call from Bristol, the headquarters of ESPN. It was during the Texas vs. Oklahoma State game. The TV announcers were order to stop questioning the official’s calls. Well in case you don’t know, before the game got out of reach for the Cowboys, all the call were going for the Horns. So what they really meant was don’t blow the cover. So when I explain that what is going on down here in Texas, is more that just home cooking, I am not just whistling Dixie.
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You got to be kidding!
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What?
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