nothing will come of this… possibly an 800,000 settlement but that is it !!! other than tons of court fees, litigation, and time!!!!

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by the way, AJ staff, one of your articles is Exhibit 3

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with l e a c h ’s new lawyers, Dobrowski and Johnson from Houston, i bet they all get sued big time!!

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Nothing in there about Mike wanting to come back. That has me depressed!

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The shredders are working overtime at Tech, woops,, did the lights just blink, I truly hope Im around to see the rats turn on each other, heard it but have never seen it, looks like Imay get my chance, next move, Tech, were waiting, …

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watchdog, he is probably waiting for more leverage?

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the longer l e a c h is unemployed, the more money he can get out of J a m e s and Tech, since they talked so bad about him no one may want to hire him!

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Go Leach! Include the James family in the lawsuit.

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the new lawyers specialize in employment law…wrongful discharge, breach of contract…etc. whoooo hoooo!! sounds good!!

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BTW…. it was a 2 story 4 bedroom house

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Don’t go off on loyalty. Tech espouses loyalty and then goes after Briles?? Come on…its just business.

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This is all a very smart move for Leach in a lot of wats, the longer Tech takes to release stuf the more people will ask what are they trying to cover up, also if Tech does release anything detremental about Leach , why now and most people wont belive anything they say now anyways, Mikes reputation is ruined, sad to say just like everybody involved in this ,at this point what has he got to loseand probably some more angles the man is smart,and everyone loses one way or the other, feel sorry for the Tech players and by the way Ruff seems to be too nice a man to be put through this, sorry players, h you are getting a lessonin Lubbock lunacy…

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Please, oh please …… somebody tell me why Myers still has a job!!! When will Tech fans rise up to insist on his dismissal?!?!?

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I’m betting he gets the entire $12M.

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This is the opening sentence from an article in the Ft Worth Star Telegram.

“It has come to this for Texas Tech. The coach from the worst team in the Big 12 South, Baylor’s Art Briles, don’t even want to coach the Red Raiders.”

Here’s the article if you have not already read it:
http://startelegramsports.typepad.com/colleges/2010/01/the-fatcats-wanted-mike-leach-out-at-tech.html

Way to build a program Myers!

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Just because you could afford a 4 br house in lubbock has no relevance to leach’s loyalty to the program or lubbock. He wanted to be paid his worth. I dont see anything wrong with that. I doctor/lawyer in lubbock could afford to live in lubbock on a teachers salary but I would bet a good one wouldnt.

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that plus some of his reputation back and all the world will see just how really evil all these people really are, hope that all the doubters eat their words and Craig Jame and son working cleaning out Mikes toilet..

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rene…. that makes no sense…. i am just saying he has no reason to claim hardship in lubbock texas…… and lubbock has some of the best and brightest medical doctors in the country…. His worth was that of someone that hasn’t won a big 12 south or big 12 championship…. he shouldnt be paid as much as mack or bob and that is what he wanted…… I think is time to start supporting our school and get rid of myers and his personal agendas…. LEACH is a done deal and i hope he doesnt take tech through the ringer….. i hope for our sake, that hance and bailey are intelligent and have their i’s dotted and t’s crossed……

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didn’t someone say briles wasn’t interested because of his wife?

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maybe leach should accept hance meyers and bailey’s resignations as payment instead of the cash!!

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Best one yet sally

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thanks ttr!

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sally, I like your ideal about payment, so who’s your pick for new coach?

McCoy out of game.

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did mccoy get hurt?

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Hurt and taken to dressing room 2nd string in tex 6 ua 0

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yeah and they called him a limo to go to the hospital.

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uh ohhhh….. i like mccoy, he seems like a nice guy….. but…. Roll Tide!! ;)

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Yea, McCoy is NFL material…

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going to xray room 2 field goals

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Are you tired of The Leach, yet?

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so ttr, who is your pick for head coach? …i mentioned dana holgrosen the other day

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1 Briles
2 Holgrosen
3 Sumlin
4 Tuberville
5 Edsall

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ttr, so since briles doesn’t want to be considered……. i bet it’s tuberville

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yeah , I do too, seems like a good man , would love to see him go to the Cowboys or Texans, .

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I dont know if Tech will have any money left to hire anybody after Leach gets through with them can see why the man a Heisman

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If I could live in a perfect world, Adam James would have signed with Lamar and Leach would still be here. But that s not possible, Holgrosen would be nice. But I think Myers will take the easy way out and pick ruff

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any word on if Adam James is going to transfer??

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IF he was smart, lords know’s he not, he would get the he$$ out of lbb. but we’re not that lucky. But if anyone sees him, let him know I’ll help him move. Want break a thing — ha ha ha ha

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gary, you’re right, they will have to have the freshman class bring there own toilet paper.

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Craig James is on the alabama vs texas chat for ESPN dallas. im on as #1 ttu fan and they wont post my comments

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change your name from #1 ttu fan to Adam James ;)

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toobad Texas doesnt have a Stix or the receivers that Tech has, bama has a real heisman , best Ive seen in a while, whoever the coach may be ,wouldnt be surprised of any idiotic decision they make, if they have any money left..

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Leach deserves all the money coming to him including all attorney expenses (which will be exhorbitant).
It’s time to submit your resignation Meyers. I said the same thing when I lived in Lubbock years ago when I called for your
resignation when you were head coach of the basketball team and the game had clearly passed you by. Your done and everybody knows it so take your retirement and go to the pasture

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Craig Jmes will be a announcer for the Toilet Bowl in Mike Leachs house after all of this is over..

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hes not using his name tell me this isnt him

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/news/story?page=vpb/300070333&sport=ncf/bowls09

hes using espn4d

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Why am I constantly under moderation?

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you are getting a lessonin Lubbock lunacy

Now that’s why recruits are bailing out!

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you and me ric

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Im trying as Adam James they wont talk to me

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try john parker williams ;)

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@sally ill try did u go to the site?

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i mean john parker wilson…..former bama qb

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Mack Brown has to be related to Gerald, the last play before the half has to be the stupiidest play I have ever seen, why didnt Gilbert just kneel down and let the time run out, he may be the next ad, Brown come to think of it, he would blend right in.. with these people..

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Hey watchdog…I lived in Lubbock for 30 years and I know what you’re talking about……there needs to be a shake
up at Tech’s upper echelon level. These dueche bags need to go………like yesterday.

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i’ve got the site up

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Folks, this is step 1 of 500 that will result in litigation totaling tens of millions of dollars and that will result in individual liability on the part of the university administration, athletics department administration, current regents, and past regents. Folks, Mike Leach is going to PREVAIL IN THIS LITIGATION, because, among other things, he was not allowed due process from the get to. He’s going to bust Tech and the Tech cronies.

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Lee Corso is another one who’s beyond his years…… he’s coming off as a complete fool tonight
at the national championship game……… as usual.

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When Tech destroys or fails to provide the requested information that is when they get their first taste of criminal problems. Hope Hance burns every document in his possession.

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Henry is right on. $800,000 or $10.5 mil is not what Leach will sue for. It will be $100 million and up. This will be the bankruptcy of that certain separate entity known as the athletics department. Stupid people are always parted from their money. Smart people get it.

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for the first post that said Leach would only get 800k: Are you as stupid as you read. All the good ol tech boys are going to see that the stooges went about it all wrong and will make us pay and pay.

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That’s not what I want. I want Leach back as Coach!

That last play was going to be like Tech’s bowl game when the runner tosses it back to QB and then score touchdown.

Glad we are going to be rid of the whorn trolls.

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dog, wouldn’t it be great if we woke up tomorrow and it was all a dream and Myers was fired

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You go, Mike! I hate that Tech will lose so much money, but their stupidity is obvious. Such a travesty. I’ll miss Coach Leach terribly.

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Just read the dumbest statement from Craig James – seems he’s going to attempt a run for the Senate. Here’s his statement:

“I’m a Texan. I’m concerned for our country,” he said. “I disagree with the approach that we’re having, things that are taking place, and so whatever door opens up, I’ll look at it, if and when it opens up.”

Now, isn’t that intelligent? What total non-issue rhetoric. Doesn’t he realize that politicians who don’t know what they’re talking about get sent to the shed?????

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@carol he is just like Hance, he wants to line his pockets!!!!

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During HT of NC, they just announced DC of Bama to interview for TT job.

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I feel the same as I did in 1982 when the undefeated pony express (yes, with Craig James) beat us
in Jones stadium on the last play of the game with a trick play on the ensuing kickoff after we tied the game.
This guy has come back to haunt us 27 years later…….I guess I believe in ghosts now.

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carol, where did you see the comment? that’s crazy!!!

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The only door that will be open to Craig James is the door to Hell!!

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Tech is desperate to interview anyone at this point. It’s called damage control.

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James stuck it to Tech, he’ll stick it to Texas. Once scum, always scum

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good one gary. you think there be room for Myers

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found it…. craig james also says, His central message as a candidate for any office would be, Why does the government have to be involved in everything we do? …. i would ask why does craig james meddle in everything tech does??

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1. Grapevine NO ONE cares about your house!!!
2. Mike Leach may not have been the most loyal but he did get us to 10 straight bowl games and nearly a national championship with a make shift defense.
3. Now that leach is gone and tech is taking for ever to hire a new coach we are slowly losing our recruits.
4. Everyone on here who has commented about the higher ups needing to be removed and cleaning house from the top down is very correct.
5. Grapevine NO ONE cares about your house!!!

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Yeah, hes got ties to Beetle Bailey and willcome in and dismantle the current Staff and run the same offense that Bama does, three yards and a cloud of dust, works for Bama, but will not work here the Offense here was recruited for the Spread, and I bet the Tech players are ust really excited to hear that since a bunch of them are watching the game , welcome to Lubbock, Baron and Carter and the lunacyand insanity of Lubbock, if they were going to hire Ruff they would have already done it and another recruit will decommit..

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Now it is the Tech administration that will know what it is like to get screwed. If they are lucky they will only get fired but it will cost them money as well.

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Can you imagine when candidate James is answering questions after a speech, or at a debate and he is asked, “Mr James, how do you convince the voters of Texas to have confidence in you when you raised a child documented to be lazy, rebel rousing and with little respect to authority?” and “No matter your skills you have been a part of the demise of two college football teams. How do you explain your involvment and the unquestionable fact that you were there both times? and “Why would the voters not feel you would be involved in the demise of their state too?”

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way to go woody

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here is whats going to happen.. the administration is going no where does anything ever change in lubbock? it only took 80 years to make it wet and then tech is going to pay leach millions there is no way he is gonna lose this case unless of course the judge for the case is in techs pocket and we all know that is possible! then after we lose our recruits and millions we hire a new head coach and he has no chance in grabbing the top TX recruits like leach did. We finally make it into the top 25 recruiting classes and look what happens!! Myers should have just stepped up and been a man tel leach “i hate you, you hate me” now go make me some money.

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Well said woody.

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we know he isnt getting 250,000 votes from lubbock haha! well i mean 249,997

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golfwoody…please go ask james those questions!!!, the article says, James says he’ll be the keynote speaker at a Texas Public Policy Foundation Luncheon in Austin next week

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Maybe now that Leach has started his case maybe the AJ will now run the story of the emails that transpired.

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here it is http://www.wfaa.com/home/james-being-considered-for-senate-seat-80955427.html

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fyi…horns 21 bama 24

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Coach Leach

Do not settle, go the distance!!!

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sally, that made me sick. He said he disagreed with the way things are going, Did I miss something, is he a Tech fan? I disagree with what he is doing to my school. He$$ will freeze before I would vote for him. What an a hole

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ttrr, i should have said, click on the link… on an empty stomach….sorry. it is sickening!!!!

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They have closed the comments on the article about Craig. Are they afraid of the truth?

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hey, this has been great tonite — way to go sally, gary, dog, woody, carol and the others. It makes me feel good that we all have a bit of the pirate in us

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@sweet, no kidding, its because they didnt have anyone believe his BS!!!!

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Craig James words are sickening to hear! He tries so hard to make himself appear to be a good dad by “using” his son for his own gain. The reality of this issue is – with all his hovering around the Tech football team I am sure he knew his son was not putting out sufficient effort and was bad mouthing the coaches. If he was a real dad he would have done something about it then and this issue with Leach would have never happened. Instead it is even more apparent he PLANNED on, if not CREATED the situation for his own benefit just so he could say his infamous (and quite lame) “I’m a dad” speech.

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Well I was worried there for a minute that Mc’s clapping was actually working….

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What if that was the plan all along?

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By Craig James using his son this way to get national attention is it any different than the family who used their son in the hot air balloon to land a reality show??? They are getting jail time. Should Craig be put away as well?

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you may have something there dog

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fyi … bama 30 horns 21

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fyi… bama 31 horns 21

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did you read the comments on the craig james article….they are great!! funny!!!

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a bone?

touchdown

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44 to 6. Well I was somewhat close…

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37 21 bama

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went from clapping to scratching head. Hey Mc Brown!

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Bama coach: thanks to great “administrators”…hum, well you will not hear that from a Ŧech coach.

Colt speechless…

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colt is a great guy

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I hate the Longhorns but Bama didnt deserve to win I have to rep my Big 12 and I hope Leach gets every penny he can because he deserves it!! TEAM LEACH!! WRECK EM TECH!! We most diff are going to beat Texas next season cant wait to be in the stands laughing when we do!!! LOL!!

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The Horns played well tonight. That’s what ttu wants. Without McCoy they didn’t have much of a chance, but a freshman QB showed that he had a future.

So, there you go ttu. Keep whining about how bad leech was treated. Keep complaining how Hance and Myers “screwed” YOU.

You’ll never be more than a third of a winner in the Big 12.

Go to the Lone Star. Go to the Mountain West. Go to the Southland.

Just go you miserable losers.

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So Texas lost the Nat’l Championship game; maybe different if McCoy had been able to play, maybe not. One thing to remember however, they were playing and Tech was home watching on TV. The next time the sun comes up in the WEST is the next time Tech will play in a BCS National Championship game. They need to join the Southland Conference, play the same teams Knight does then play for the Div.1A championship. There are 2 good reasons why Tech will never play in a Div.1 championship; OU, UT.

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Glad to see Alabama score that last touchdown, did you hear the Texas crowd boo, funny!!!,

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And they finally loose 6th year Shipley!

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Cant wait until tomorrow and see what the circus brings , wonder how many more recruits will be waffling in the mean time, funniest thing I heard today was James running for senator, and one of the 3 stooges at the bc game, wondered if Gerald was there, to wipe his butt, Tech players are getting a lesson in how much the ad cares what they think and Lubbock Lunacy, looks like the big top has closed for the day and before I forget glad you won Bama , maybe we wont hear from the Texas Trolls for awhile..

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Stop waisting time and sign Ruffin and get the hell out of the way. You people (Kent, Guy and Gerald) are transparent in your scheming and your ineptness is showing through like looking through plastic wrap. You are killing time and losing recruits by your so called “do dilligence” which really is a feeble effort to appear professional.

In any event, you three are going to be holding onto your a$$ for dear life because Leach is coming after you. The truth, whatever it is, will come out if the judge rules in favor of releasing the documents. So turn the program over to Ruffin so he can salvage what’s left – then resign!!!!!

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gary,

it’s time to move on.

gather up our household tools, and let’s go somewhere else.

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hahaha. you guys are going to bash as superior program like texas.

haha. oh well, time for oatmeal gary.

dogmasterbaiter, go ahead and watch the bama-ut highlights. ttu will alwasy be a “alamo bowl” or “maaco bowl” participant without a real coach.

pirate this.

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Leach for President!

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I was wrong the circus had a late show, Tech Regents issued statements, here drink this cool- aid , do they really think anyone would believe anything they have to say, sorry guys your reputation went out the window a long time ago..

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Run, Craig, run! Please run! Waste all of your money on one percent of the vote! (Psst — all of those UT football players who can’t read and/or will take any job after they are paroled will provide cheap labor handing out campaign flyers.)

Leach doesn’t want to bankrupt Tech and cause a depression in Lubbock. He wants his reputation back plus a ton of flesh. He’ll bleed the Three Stooges and ESPN until they yell “uncle” and tattoo an apology on their forehead.

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Beavis and Butthead, Turner and Scovell, are you speaking Chinese yet? The More you open your mouths the deeper you dig your grave, nobody in their right minds beleive these out and out lies. a blind man can see what is going on. Do everyone a favor and resign, the sooner the better and the 3 stooges too, the sooner the better. That way we can save what is left of Tech and its reputation and football program, the longer you delay , the worse it will get all you are doing is po fans and making Tech and Lubbock look worse than it already does . you must must not live in reality when you say the Raider Nation is divided, on the contrary its united and wants all of you gone , like pronto, like yesterday.

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Simple definitions of a “mess.” Was Leach the best coach Tech has ever had? YES. Did he interview every year so he could leave Tech? YES. Is Myers past due to retire? YES. Was Hance’s hiring based on politics not academic qualifications? YES. Is Lubbock a much harder place to recruit to than Austin or College Station? YES. Will Tech struggle to attract and keep a top caliber coach? YES. IT IS A MAJOR MESS!

The only ones to lose in the long run will be the Tech fans. I am a Tech grad and love the Red Raiders but the truth is nothing has really changed in the last 50 years. Lubbock is hard to recruit to and keep top caliber players and coachs.

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Perhaps more should be spent on education. Your headline — “expedicted,” I believe should be expedited. And TTU grad — shame on you — it’s ‘wasting” — not waisting. GEEZ.

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So Craig James is looking for another job that he can leverage for personal gain, perfect!

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I don’t care what Leach gets as longas Bailey, Myers and Hance are forced to leave the university. I hope Mike gets something don’t get me wrong, but I hope the gang of three are going down the road talking to themselves and soon.

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if you relly want to start the morning off right, read the regents statement , Regents break silence on Leach, its on KCBD, FOX 34 and others. AJ has not reported on this story as of 8 a.m., thought they would be all over this one, it was released, the statement at 9.22, thoughts?

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Clarification of last post, 9.22. last night..

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wow, the regents never mentioned the behavior of the James kid. Why?

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No talk or mention of the Regents statements so far on Fox Talk or on their ticker on the bottomof the screen??

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This is a fantastic picture. Looks like some reporter is shoving a chocolate donut into Liggett’s mouth & he’s really tearing into it.

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By the way, it’s kind of sad to see how many people are still holding out hope that Mike Leach has any chance or desire to return to Tech. I will miss Mike Leach as much as anyone and will have to re-train myself on how to watch Tech football, but IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.

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My Prediction Mike Leach will be the new Head Coach at South Florida.

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Does anyone find it fishy that Ruffian McNeil was called yesterday for a “second interview”–the same day that Mike Leach filed his Motion for Expedited Discovery? It certainly appears as if Texas Tech is dangling a carrot in front of McNeil to change or slant his testimony. We’ve already seen the turncoats, Pincock and Phy, scurry to save their jobs as they equivocated in their affidavits about James’s injury and treatment. Unfortunately, the Head Coaching search is becoming a joke–two candidates–and one of them has never even coached a Division I team nor has he showed greatness. Granted he has improved one of the five worst defenses in the country to middle of the pack, but that is hardly a recommendation for greatness. He asks us to look at his body of work–so let’s look at his record as the special teams coach a few years ago—pathetic! I appreciate that the players love him and are familiar with him. It is natural that they would want to keep him, but I do not think that he is capable of handling the big picture–he does not have the offensive acumen and innovation that Leach has. Naturally, I expect him to be hired, because TTU administration has not shown one ounce of wisdom in this entire debacle. At any rate, it will be interesting to see what Ruffian’s testimony will be. Let’s see how much he values his “best friend” who gave him a break and supported him these last ten years as opposed to the carrot that Texas Tech is dangling. I guess they are counting on Ruffian’s ability to “work with Texas Tech leadership”–a basis for Leach’s termination according to one Regent. I wonder if this is code for “lack of ethics” or for just plan boot-licking.

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Why is he making Liggitt eat a Hostess Ding Dong?

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One thing I find ironic in this is that the Admins refuse to step down because they believe thay have done no wrong. This is one of the reasons they cite in firing Leach. Well, which is it boys, is right to stand for what you believe or is it grounds for termination? Don’t let the door hit ya!

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I get this picture of Myers approaching Leach about a call he got from “a parent” – What the xxxx is going on! Do you have xxxx in your head! He can ruin us if this gets on the air. You have to apologize and you have to do it quickly. — I have no doubt that as a player he is worthless and has singlehandedly prevented the team from being the best it can, but his dad is looking at becoming a senator and he is po’ed. Much less he has gotten Hance all upset and Bert is ticked because he is working with Craig James to get the jerk elected. Therefore apologize. It doesn’t matter if you mean it, just lie and let’s get this behind us. — If you do not apologize then we will do now what we were planning on doing after the Alamo Bowl – can your xxx! I have no doubt he was safe in the garage and he deserved even worse, but xxxx Mike, his dad will twist this way out of reality and will do whatever it takes to make him look good. — I know this is upsetting to you but I personally don’t give a xxxx. Do it or quit, xxxxxxx!!! What did you say to me? Well, xxxx you too! Your toast! You just aren’t willing to work with us.

Yeah, I know, keep my day job because I am not much of a writer, but the Regents comments are so one sided. There is no doubt in my mind they handled the ‘discussions’ with Leach unprofessionally. Knowing these guys, especially Myers, it was at argument level before he entered the door. He/they were cussing withn the first few seconds and it all went down from there. If for no other reason than emotion, Leach had no option but to tell them to xxxx off. If they had bothered to listen, question, then listen and question again, and then investigate, the problem would have been handled and the school will be able to to keep $10M+ of its money and the reputation of the school would still be in tact.

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This is way past Leach…..and he knows it……it’s about the stupidity of an administration……and with that stupidity no one is going to be loyal as non of them can be trusted…….which makes it all about the money. Good for Leach…..and screw the administration…….as long as this suit is progressing it would be hard for a good coach currently with a good gig to give it up and come to Tech under these circumstances. The administration needs to go and until they do this program will languish. Mark my words………if these bozo’s don’t resign Tech will end up at the bottom three or below in the conference……Actually Baylor will make more progress than Tech.

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Fair and balanced news on fox talk, comment from Butthead, not the Klotz, sounds like Travis speech at the Alamo regarding the Alamo regarding Team Leach and supporters, doyou think that tech will be damaged by all of this, if they bring in Tubervile, he will wave a magic wand and poosh, this will all go away, Butthead said that the Regents are hired by the governor and theey will not be fired, unbelivable, cant wait to see them go off the air, what a bunch of buffons, no wonder nobody watches there crappy station, still no word on the Regents, forgot Gods statement on their stupid talk show or on their ticker, what does that tell you, Fair and balanced, go get a job in muleshoe, no offense,muleshoe..

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Here’s the website for James Craig “announcement” that he wants to run for Senate…

http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0110/Craig_James_wants_to_run_for_Senate_in_Texas.html

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You do very well and hit the nail on the head , guys, they need to go asap the longer this goes on the more po people will get, they dont have enough sense even to keep their stupid mouths shut,but on the other hand I hope they dont. the more these clowns show their true colors,eventually even the clowns that supported these clowns will turn against them. But not before we lose whatever respectability we have and recruits , who in their right mind would want to come here under these conditions, if you have a week stomach do not listen to Fox Talk or CHANNELL 9, when the havent got a clue clowns areon., they must be kin to Scovell and Turner or the ad has them in their backpocket like espn or visa versa..

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At least one TX team on the B12 South won a bowl game this year. TEXAS TECH!

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Go Coach Leach, clear your name! We all want the truth to come out and to see accountability at the top.

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gary and sally, NOBODY wants a drunk pirate who flips off his boss!!! get a clue mental midgets!!!

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Yeah for swift Justice! Go the distance Coach Leach. Give them a lesson about money they won’t forget.

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WWE WANT SETENCICH! WE WANT SETENCICH! WE WANT SETENCICH!

Yours Truly,

garyount

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A-J trying to silence me! Try again!

Am I wrong, but in court papers it says “the plaintiff is Mike Leach, the Head Coach for Texas Tech…” In my mind I think Leach still thinks he is the Head Coach. If he wins would he not want to return? I think that says he wants it, though it does actually say that…

Your thoughts?

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A-J I have many more email accounts to use. 57,000 fans too!

Go Team Leach!

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Who is that petty Scrooge “Who Stole the Leachmas”?? Too bad that the best option at offensive coordinator we got is that traitor and “brown-noser” Lincoln Riley, who stole the offensive schemes from Leach and then “threw him under the bus” by standing up for Leach one week and then turning around and retracting his statement to comply with his administrations agenda to fire Leach. What kind of integrity and leadership he brings to the team? He’s just going to be another swashbuckler but without pirate-type loyalty. At least, Leach was an odd ball and acted like one and stood by his statements. I hate Leach “sleazy lawyer” tactics during his contract negotiations last year, but at least he was what he was and we embraced him, but Riley is a petty Scrooge “Who Stole the Leachmas”.

Admin needs to act this week – Tuberville or McNeill – enough meddling as recruits families must be retianed committed to Lubbock.

I hope Leach gets interview with Oakland Raiders (perfect fit) and shuts up. Also, they said on TV that Alabama Defensive Coordinator is Tech graduate and will be interviewed soon by Tech admin, but…my problem with this is that Bama defense never saw the spread offense of the Big XII teams and partially that’s why they allowed UT to score 2 TDs in 2nd half (why would we need that coach then). I’d hate us to turn into a defense-oriented team as OU and UT will rob us of any good recruits. If we just keep our Leach-style offense, we can still get “the prime beef”. Hance must announce new Coach tomorrow!!

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uT scored and did well because of 6th or is it 7th year player Shipley!

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I’m not sure there is any name clearing to be done. Leach admits what he did, and doesn’t see anything wrong with it. His bosses do. I don’t think either side is saying the James kid was harmed.

This all boils down to the AD’s opinion of how the coach should conduct himself versus the coach’s opinion.

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Why is Myers still at Tech — Fire Myers

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Leach has said he doesnt think much of that kid and that his parents tried to wrongfully get him playing time. He is not trying to defend putting him in that shed was THE RIGHT THING TO DO, just that he didnt do it/ the trainers did and it didnt hurt the kid. Tech claims Leach wouldnt apologize to the complaining parents nor sign an agreement to never do that again …..though he didnt do that in the first place. I suppose Leach’s position is finally going to be that this is the trainers fault and that regardless this isnt cause for the termination of his contract ? Not signing an agreement, one that doesnt require him to break any laws etc, sounds reasonable given this complaint, and is likely ‘insubordination’. If leach DID order this act….case closed. I hope Tech prevails in the suit. Its a shame this happened but it sounds like Mike pushed things believing his popularity would make it impossible for them to terminate him. The kid may be a jerk, but why go crazy over him ?

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Leach…..get over it. It’s time that Tech find greener pastures. Why not? You tried it last year shopping your lunatic rear around the country for other jobs. GET OVER IT.

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Why would he sign anything that would incriminate him? CoachLeach was fed up with this kid and his attitude and how he was affecting the morale of the team, thats really not the issue here, he did not do anything to harm this kid, Coach Leach was not going to kiss their Butt, plain and simple.. and I hope he continues filing law suits and shows everyone just how corrupt these people really are, this is going to get even messier..

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g-whiz two wrongs do not make a right!

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Leach deserves the money, bottom line. Tech bullied to get what they want, but those types of actions can not be expected from a public institution that receives money from our taxes. Leach deserves to be “righted” and get his money that is owed to him and more due to harm caused by Tech officials.

The fact is, politics hand prints are all over this matter. Is it just coincidence that Craig James is now announcing his intent to run for US Senate under the republican flag. Did Hance (republican politician), Bailey, and Myers give to the republican agenda? Did Rick Perry have his hand in this as well? After all, is Perry supporting James’ bid for the US Senate?

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Garyount – Agreed 100 percent. The man is not stupid. He wasn’t going to sign anything that gave the 3 Stooges the upper hand.

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booster32 = Sowell trying to save face. We dispute the “facts” and instead will let you have them as your opinion of events, even though your wrong.

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FACTS:
1) Leach mistreated an injured player
>>>>> Wrong. He discipled an injured player. It is the opinion of his father, TTU admin and apparently you it was mistreatment.
2) Leach didnt take direction or cooperate with his superiors
>>>>> Wrong. He was told to do something that would have been a lie and no one is supposed to do that. Ask the IRS, the local police or any good Human Resources person.
3) An employer can suspend an employee with pay while conducting an investigation
>>>>> Right. And if they are proved wrong they have to pay all back compensation not paid. In this case the $800K. Leach was working through the legal system to ensure TTU stayed legal.
4) The contract allowed for termination with cause
>>>>> Right. Any good contract allows for termination with cause. The key is, you have to have a very clear cause and you must work within your own contract guidelines. This will all be explained in court and TTU will have to explain their actions.
5) Leach didnt own his business but was just an employee
>>>>> As a good employee he was trying to keep TTU out of court. It was TTU who forced this issue by demanding he sign apologies he felt would be false and documents they were only demanding he sign and not all managers who have to deal with injured students. This should have been a request for all department heads on all campuses. You do not single out one person unless you are trying to set them up to be fired. Hance and Myers are not the first to use this tactic.

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SALLY, What is your problem??? There was never any mention of “New Attorneys” for Leach. Which part of left field did you find this info? Really, stop making up stuff as ya go along.

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Reader, maybe if you READ the documents you see the signatures and lawfirms name! Geez….

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reader, if you look at the very end of the court documents they are signed by his attorneys liggett, dobrowski and johnson

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Leach has said HE was treating this injured player by getting him out of the light. He wasnt claimed he was punishing this kid. Think is no other player that has ever had this type injury has been treated like this ever before at Tech ! Its not just me and the administration that think this is a poor practice.

When theres a third party complaint against a department or individual its not unreasonable to CORRECT that error. In this case TECH felt the treatment was inappropriate. MATTERS NOT WHAT THE EMPLOYEE THOUGHT ! Signing that agreement was reasonable.

Tech firing Leach ALONE for filing a restraining order for their rightful action of suspending him with pay is insubordination. THAT CAUSED BAD PUBLICITY AND DAMAGED TECH ! LEACH TOOK THIS COURT – not Tech ! Any employee that files a court action against his employer REGARDING A LEGAL ACTION should expect to be fired ! Example: Say your boss wants you to work a sunday. You file a restraining order…..BINGO- he fires you for cause.

You guys hoping Leach gets millions and takes Tech down and out….I thought you were supporters of Tech ? Forget his wins or YOUR opinion of if this kid deserved this punishment…..LEACH FAILED TO DO WHAT HIS BOSSES REQUESTED. THATS INSUBORDINATION because what they requested was within the law (and reasonable).

Leach’s defense seems to be ALL about OTHER THINGS and in the alternative…he didnt do it. The truth is likely he did and certainly that he didnt cooperate with his bosses. Hate James and Meyers et al ALL YOU WANT but please quit trying to defend Leach’s insanity….and QUIT TRYING TO HURT TEXAS TECH !!

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“UPPER HAND” ??? Leach was not a partner. He was just an employee….one that had been trying to leave to greener pastures every year ! The boss HAS THE UPPER HAND PERIOD !! Follow instructions or…..thats insubordination PERIOD !

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Ha, just admitted you did not work with Leach as a partner.

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That’s bad faith! Leach signed contract.

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booster32, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, how would you have avoided all of this bad pr? do you think it really should have got this far? Doyou think that 54,000 people are wrong in this matter and the vast majority of Lubbock are wrong? Last, are youfrom Lubbock?

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Another news flash. Pete Carroll, head coach of the University of Southern California (In the Pasadena, Ca area) is suppose to be talking to the Seattle Seahawks about the head coaching job there. Maybe the USC position would be open soon.

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LAST TIME/ THE FACTS

1) Tech believes Leach was mistreating a player.
2) Leach may believe that isolating an injured player (concussion is good medical treatment) or that this was reasonable punishment
3) Tech attempted to resolve the dispute with the parent and requested Leach’s cooperation. Leach refused.
4) Tech suspended Leach with pay, thus no back pay is due, while investigating this issue
5) Leach filed a restraining suit against Tech to prohibit them suspending him.
6) Tech believes all the above to be insubordination.
7) The contract had time tables. Leach was fired PRIOR TO the date required to receive that 800,000. ALL disputes occurred PRIOR TO that date as well.
8) An employer has the right to fire an employee. Since in this case theres a contract…..the ONLY issue is was there cause to terminate the contract. TECH HAS BEEN DAMAGED IN THE MILLIONS FROM THIS BAD PUBLICITY as a direct result of an employee not following instructions and then attempting to have a court prohibit them from suspending an employee.

If Meyers and the administration had INSISTED that James play every down….then as an employee Leach would have had to follow their direction or find himself charged with INSUBORDINATION. Matters NOT if that would have been good advise ! It matters ONLY if what they were requesting was LEGAL, and this contract to not punish in this manner ever again IS a legal request. I promise you Leach isnt such a smart legal guy or he would never have made these stupid moves !

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Leach did not damage TECH – TECH damaged TECH by the way this was handled.

A players father goes over the Coach’s head complains to his boss and the Chancellor. All TECH had to do at that point is say I am sorry to here this, we are going to look into, and if we find any wrong doing we will correct it, so this never happens again. We will get back to you and let you know our findings, what actions we will take and procedures we are going to put in place. I am sure any Father would have been satisfied with that response. Leach could have Coached the Bowl, TTU could have finish the investigation and then take appropriation actions and saved this great University and players a lot of embarrassment. I am sure that is how UT, OU, Penn St, ND etc and other great schools would have handled it. It could have been handled in a professional matter, instead of pointing fingers, throwing people under the bus, pitting coaches and against coaches all in the National Spot light. I am trying to remember when another University Chancellor when on ESPN (ESPN for goodness sake) and talked about a University’s internal problem. Again, I don’t think UT, OU and others would have handle this issue like this. Tech looks so not big league, so not professional (so small with the he said she said thing), Nationally the University took ten steps back. PR 101 perception is reality!

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Just a add on several former players, prominent players supported Leach, Michael Crabtree and Graham Harell, for instance and a coach on the Houston staff and a coach on the current staff and the New York Times and the Dallas and Ft. worth papers are all wrong?

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Tech attempted to resolve the dispute with the parent and requested Leach’s cooperation. Leach refused.

Well Tech should get out of the busness of micromanaging employees and let them do their jobs if they are not violating the laws. They should have backed up Leach. Mistake #1 and all the others would not have happened. Pray tell how did Hance disapline his children? Be fun to know or Myer’s his and his former teams. That’s worthy of a reporter or two’s time.

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Why did Tech suspend Leach when that wasn’t provided for in the contract? There were specifically spelled out provisions for what punishment could be as$essed against him, and suspension was not one of them.

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hope leach gets every penny he ask for and hope he gets some from the james family, too.

what’a joke that james would even consider or mention getting into politics, not that he wouldn’t
be suited for it, bunch of crooks…

anyone heard that James and Hance are in some business venture together??? Or, maybe they
just both want KBH’s Senate seat…that might be a way to get Hance out of Lubbock, hmmmm?

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dog, do youever get tired of pointing out obvious lies and corruption to people that cant see the forest for the trees, I DO AT TIMES, DIDNT KNOW THAT THESE PEOPLE REALLY EXSISTED ESPECIALLY IN SUCH A CF AS THIS IS?

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Garyount,

Yes, from Lubbock.

I would have done EXACTLY what Tech did….in the beginning. I would have demanded Leach return to Tech to discuss this matter before it became public. If that meeting we couldnt come to an agreement I would have requested him to resign. If he didnt I would have fired him. Now I would disclose EVERYTHING thats gone on since he has been at Tech including some things that surely would turn public opinion against him.

I would stress its NOT that this treatment did not damage this kid. ITS that it was UNFAIR, Put the kid at greater risk, AND DAMAGES TEXAS TECH’S REPUTATION ! As for Leach not cooperating or following instructions….I would point out that THIS alone wont be tolerated by TECH from ANY department and that it NEVER HAS !

I havent heard a single good reason supporting THE EMPLOYEE for not following his directives, since there were legal. Maybe Leach didnt do anything more than agree with the trainers to put this kid “somewhere’ thats dark, but THEN not doing what the bosses say is grounds for getting your butt fired ! Thats my opinion and the reasons for it.

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Ted Liggett put on a SUIT!

An unironed Tech shirt covered by a cammo jacket while in court? VERY unprofessional.

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Hum you would never go back to Craig James and say it’s a matter between your adult son and his coach? Geez that would have been my reply!

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John he was serving papers not delivering a speech appearing before judge, right? Hand the papers over to a clerk. Since when is a suit required for that?

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Watchdog,

So your MANAGEMENT style is to allow ALL EMPLOYEES OF TECH to decide how the school is to conduct business provided that its legal ? Interesting concept. Is that how your business is run ?

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booster32 said:

If Meyers and the administration had INSISTED that James play every down….then as an employee Leach would have had to follow their direction or find himself charged with INSUBORDINATION

THAT IS THE PROBLEM LEACH WAS HIRED TO COACH AND WIN GAMES> NOT HIRED TO BE MICROMANAGED BY A FORMER BASKETBALL COACH AND CHANCELLOR.

First thing any AD and Chancellor from others U’s would have said to the “father” the Coach is the Coach you need to talk to him.
Why is TECH permitting people to go over the Coach’s head.

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garyount, yes this afternoon was a hoot. criticizing poster who said another was fabricating that there was “another” lawyer involved. Just goes to show people talk before they read facts readily available in front of them. It felt good to throw that back in their face!

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booster32, what do you think of the emails that show hance, bailey and myers planning to fire leach?

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booster32, you hire good people and if they are qualified for the job….YES! Otherwise why hire them? Do the job yourself. Duh!

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Yes, I realize he was serving papers – still needs to look like a lawyer and not as if he just came in from shooting dove. Again – unprofessional and the rest of America has taken notice.

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John it’s already a circus….

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booster32 – Apparently we disagree. And I now disagree with you even more than I did after your initial post. Take a corporate management course and/or attend a human resources seminar and you will know you are off base on most of your additional points. Labor laws are in place to protect the employee who is told by his employeer to do unethical things, such as sign untrue documents. As an example, if a bookkeeper is told by his/her employer to falsify the books, the bookkeeper is held just as responsible as the employeer. Give the IRS a call to verify. If these laws were not in place you would not only have to work on Sunday, but you would not get paid.

I have no problem in agreeing to disagree with you, but I do have to take issue with your statement “QUIT TRYING TO HURT TEXAS TECH.” I love TTU at least as much as you. In my opinion Leach has been wronged. This is my opinion and you are welcome to disagree. I am more than willing for the legal system to do its work and if when it is all over we find out that Leach, and the James’, and Myers, and Hance and Sowell, and any others are all lying then I would hope they all are declared cancers and released from this school and never allowed to be within 50 miles of any TTU campus. I am NOT trying to hurt Texas Tech. I, like you, am just expressing my opinion. I have that right. I learned that at TTU. I also have been quoting from published articles and filed documents. Check my posts. When I do put in my opinion, it is expressed as my opinion, subject to conjecture and error. I may error, but I am not hurting my school like I believe the administration is doing.

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You just made my point. The documents were signed by Liggett, the sole legal representative of Leach. You are such a moron. The other two names are not representing him, they are providing funding to be reimbursed upon Liggett winning a substantial amount in legal fees. Get off the site Napoleon Dynamite!!

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Golfwoody:

I dont think they requested him to sign anything EXCEPT a statement that he would never punish an injured player by …..the shed. This is NOT unethical is it ? even if Leach thinks its good football etc and Tech doesnt want that to happen again…Why shouldnt Leach have agreed to sign on and follow these instructions?

As for hurting Tech…..I think the TECH FANS are hurting TECH/ No matter who they hire it sounds from these blogs the fan base will DISCONTINUE its financial support. MOST ARE HOPING TECH LOSES THIS SUIT ! Thats not helping TECH is it ?

I respect your rightto have an opinion but I question why you are supporting an employee that refused to follow LEGA: DIRECTIVES and now whats to get PAID for work not performed. HIS CONTRACT COULD BE TERMINATED AND WAS> as for suspension: ALL EMPLOYERS HAVE THAT RIGHT IN THE LAW PROVIDED ITS WITH PAY……even if its not stated in a contract.

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That is what this is all about,this should have neverhave gotten this far,I truly care about Tech and its reputation andthe Reputation of Lubbock, thee- mails says a lot ,the changing of the statements by the team doctors, obvios biased reporting releasing statements before the Alamo Bowl game to gain national atention and the blatant biased commentators of espn and I could go on and on,Adam is a adult is he not? Adults handle their own problems , the people in charge are supposed to be adults and appointed to their jobs to serve in the best interest of the university, a coach is hired to coach,and not let malcontents destroy the morale of a team, Now we have a situation that has completely gotten out of hand and has the potential to get even worse,it has without a doubt destroyed a program, its reputation the loss of millons of dollars to the University and the businneses of Lubbock and the tax base thereof,made a laughing stock world wide of Techa nd Lubbock., is that anyway to run a business or be a adult..?

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reader, dobrowski is the lead trial lawyer representing leach.

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Call time-out regroup and have a beer with Obama. Can’t we all just get along. Everyone needs to forget this and go back to 12-28-09 and wake up and rethink what to do. Everyone needs to man-up and let’s get back to playing some FOOTBALL!

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sounds like youare worried about these blogs and the harmthey may cause.hmmm?

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No, I just want Leach back!

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SALLY, Your an idiot. Dobrowski is not the lead trial lawyer. Stop acting like you work for that law firm. You are not even an attorney.

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sounds more and more like the Germans outside the concentration camps to me, I know nothing. or maybe some of these people were on the O.J. trial? makes me wonder?

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reader, calm down, i’m just stating the facts

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Team LEACH will never die, TEAM LEACH WILL NEVER DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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WATCHDOG:

LET ME SEE IF THIS HELPS YOU GET THE POINT:

TECH hires a GREAT traffic cop. Then theres a complaint that that cop towed a car and put it in a shed. The cop says it was parked wrong etc….Tech doesnt disagree or take issue with THAT but gives the cop the DIRECTIVE to not ever tow a car and place in the shed EVER again. The cop expresses he disagrees. Tech then requests he sign an agreement to never do this again. The cop refuses ! He is suspended with pay while an investigation is being conducted. The cop files a restraining order attempting to stop the suspension…..Tech then counters by firing him.

“GOOD PEOPLE” cant make decisions for an institution ALONE or that opposes management’s directives. Someday….the management at Tech may decide to tow every car left unattended….then THAT will be whats done. Until then those cops should do as they are TOLD ! Surely, you can agree with this EVEN THOUGH these cops in this example are GREAT COPS !

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Ha ha, reader thought it might be impressive to have and educated name like reader, even though he can’t READ!

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DONT YOU JUST LOVE BEING CALLED A IDIOT? AND THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY WHERE EVERYONE HAS A OPINION AND THE RIGHT TO GIVE THEIRS..

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booster your insane, just like your other cockroaches.

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Cop is not hired to manage a team. Management is different and you might want to take a class or two on it.

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booster32, what is your analysis of the emails from hance, bailey and myers planning to fire leach

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booster32 are you jim sowell?

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booster32 – From my understanding they told Leach to sign an apology and then they told him to sign a “How to deal with an injured student” document. IF – and I leave that open to interpretation – he did nothing wrong, why should he admit to the need to apologize. He was standing up for his reputation. IF he was told to sign a “How To” document that no one else on campus had to sign, then it was just a cover to put a poor review document in his file, something to be used to fire him. Large corporations do this all the time.

My view on the funds hold-backs is to put your donations in an escrow and when this issue is settled then give it. This will vary from person to person due to what they feel is an acceptable settlement. My donations, memberships and other financial involvements are on hold, not cancelled. Presently I feel I want Myers and Hance replaced to get my funds. I believe Leach is gone and no matter what is revealed he will not be back. BUT – should there be other issues come out; or Myers retires and Hance admits to mishandling this (my opinion) situation, then maybe they get it sooner.

My feeling is that even if Leach is 100% wrong, Hance and Myers handled this poorly. The USF coach fired today “hit a player twice in November”. The output of the investigation just came out today after they played their bowl. The school comes across much more professional. Even if they had to pay Levett a bonus of say $800K to coach that bowl, it is going to cost them a lot less than Tech has to pay even if they are proved right.

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Has any body really thought about the attorney Leach has representing him? First, he has the reputation of an ambulance chaser (see ads if you question that). Second, how impressive he is with his duck hunting coat in every picture I have seen of him. I’m thinking that if I made 2.5 million and really cared about it, I wouldn’t hire the guy I met at the bar drinking beer to represent me.

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Watchdog

Did you even go to any college, beside to attend a game I mean ?

You sound so opinionated, but uneducated.

Keep loving your Leach and support his next school. You arent helping Tech with your foolish rants !

Hopefully MOST people involved will stop and consider the issues separate from their emotions, and you wont influence too many other ignorant folks out there.

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Sally,
Booster32 is not Jim Sowell. I guarantee you Sowell knows about getting signed documents in an employee’s file when you want to let someone go.

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booster32, assuming you are a booster for texas tech, what do you think of the emails between b o o s t e r sowell, hance, bailey and myers, who were planning to f i r e l e a c h the year before it happened

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arent and wont ?

I think your the uneducated one. It’s are not and will not or if abbreviated aren’t. Wont is not recognized as a word.

BTW: I have a professional degree from Texas Tech and you?

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booster32 – What the administration at Tech has done is allowed for every whiny player who doesn’t get his/her way to make a complaint against the coach. You obviously know nothing about sports or the way that a sports team is operated. Coaches are not there to be mamas and daddys. They are there to win ball games and sometimes they have to be hard on players to get that done. On every team there are those players who think they deserve special treatment for one reason or another…because of who their parents are, etc. What’s not fair? That these players draw so much attention to themselves with their whining and expectations of special treatment that other players are forgotten.
Adam James is an adult. He needs to grow up and act like one! His “daddy” won’t be around forever. If he truly felt he was mistreated, he should have handled it like a man…on his own. He should have left his “daddy” and ESPN out of it!
Welcome to the real world, Adam James!!! People don’t always treat you the way you think you should be treated and you won’t always like everyone!

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keep up the good fight golfwoody, and watchdog….i’m being moderated, battery low – gotta go!

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sally change email address and or modify screen name. They can not shut us up!

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Don’t forget our friend Gary. :-0

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You cannot fire an employee because they sued you. You can, within reason, make their life miserable so they will quit. The question would be why you still wanted to work somewhere you had to sue. If a company could fire someone due to legal action then it would eliminate the legal option to solve a problem. i.e. If a company refuses to pay money earned by a hourly worker and he has no option to collect it but quit his job, then sue the company, where is the justice? He wins the case, collects $500 and is unemployed. Reality is the company cannot fire the worker, they have to pay the money he is owed and then they begin to plan on a legal was to fire him anyway. The worker, if he can find a job now-a-days, is better off at a different job than work for someone who mistreats you.

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But if the gang gets fired themselves, the problem is over and the stress of the job is gone. If Leach did love Tech and the cancer is gone….

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These blogs are not productive nor informative. Lets see what a court says meanwhile I am for Tech and not rooting for Leach do further damage Tech. Do you believe what you are doing is helping Tech ? The law supports Tech’s position but people like some of you seem to only believe that Leach had a right to do whatever he wanted as Tech’s coach. EVEN LEACH hasnt filed a complaint for wrongful termination ! He knows thats a loser !! His complaint is that under that contract they couldnt terminate him or in the alternative their reason for cause doesnt satisfy that clause. When your boss next tells you to do something that you arent in favor of try pulling a LEACH and see what happens to you. The term for that is INSUBORDINATION ! The guys paying your salary maintain the right to give directives. Imagine if an ast coach had gone against a Leach directive. Would he have that right as well, or would Leach have the right to terminate him with CAUSE ?

Bottomline to me AFTER the dispute w/ James : Was Leach following the directives of the board or was he insubordinate by not doing what was requested of him. IT APPEARS HE IGNORED THE BOARDS DIRECTIVES !! You guys keep saying James should have simply quit if HE didnt like Leach’s directives. Maybe Leach should have quit if he didnt like the board’s directives. He is a big boy too, right ? Some you are the ones wanting Potts to quit etc. , and then were cheering him on the very next week. Tech deserves better fans !!

GO LEACH !! Get out of here !!

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Watchdog, I would like to see Leach return. He is excentric but that is part of being Mike Leach. But I would only like to see him come back if he is cleared of the issues he is accused of by the current administration. I would only want to see him come back if he does not have to deal with Myers. Personally I do not think anyone should have to deal with Myers any more. I also believe that Hance has to go for the sake of the school not just Leach. I do not think that even if all these things happened Mike would come back. Not because he doesn’t love Tech, but because of such a bad taste this situation has left with him and the major step backwards this situation has caused the football program. Leach’s apparent willingness to leave in previous years was caused by Myers, not any unloyalty to the program.

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heres another unproductive post in your mind,32, Team LEACH FOREVER..

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If part of your job description is to make coffee every morning, then you need to answer to your boss if you did not do it.
If it is not part of your job description then your boss should request you make coffee but not demand it. If your boss demands you write an untrue email to make it sound like another employee is guilty of something they did not do, or to make them sound not guilty of something they did, you will be just as guilty in court as your boss if you agree to do it and get caught. How do you protect yourself from a boss who would put you in such a position? Of couse he/she will tell you are not being part of the team. Know that being a part of the ‘team’ may mean sharing a prison cell.

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james’ accusations of mistreatment were never investigated, if they would have been, they would be found not true. leach was not given due process, trying to force him to sign untrue statements, is not due process, and saying he was insubordinate is a joke, of course he isn’t going to sign something that says he is guilty of something that is not true! to say they fired him for cause?? what cause?

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Golfwoody,

You sound sincere. Do you really believe that the Board asked Leach to sign anything that was a lie ? All these men are would be criminals ? Dont you think ONE from all these men, including Leach, could have satisfied this issue by agreeing that no student athlete would be isolated in a shed ever again ? This does no admit guilt from previous events does it ? I understand Leach to say he did NOT make these orders. If thats true, he simply could have insisted that such a statement was included on that agreement;

I, Mike Leach, have never ordered etc etc and will never in the future order etc etc…..

If Tech thought the trainer to have been the ONE that ordered Leach into that shed I would think he would have been the one to be terminated, right ? What should Tech do if in the future a trainer orders a kid to stay in that shed for a few hours ….inspite of their objections to this type of treatment ? Do you SINCERELY believe that trainer, in this event ,would be within jis rights to say…and do what Leach has done ?

I FULLY understand the poor relationships that Leach had with many at Tech and that some are very happy to see him leave. Thats not at issue here. What is at issue it seems is “CAUSE” and if cause terminates the contract if if occurs BEFORE the bonus was due, and if Leach legally is entitled to collect AFTER the termination/cause for the balance of his contract. If anyone believes that Leach should be paid even if there was cause for termination than……that contract could not be terminated PERIOD, thus why put a termination clause in it ?

Again, what exactly do you think was wrong with asking Leach from refraining from treating players like this ? I dont see that as asking him to ‘blame’ others.

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booster32, the argument here is simply about like and hate. we like Coach Mike Leach. We hate whiny, wussie boy adam james, we hate his dishonest, lying father, craig james. we hate kent hance. we hate guy bailey. we despise gerald meyers and we dont like people like you. Everyone is picking their sides, you chose yours and we chose ours. I wouldnt do what those incapable morons told me to do either. Did someone place you in a dark closet and you wet yourself? The problem here is not just meyers and Leach, its meyers and sharp, meyers and hayes, meyers and knight. and so forth. See the common denominator? I would love to have Mike Leach back but, i wouldnt care who the next coach is as long as meyers and his clowns are gone.

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Sally,

The cause is documented by the trainers statements. Leach didnt deny this in the beginning….now I suppose his position is “I didnt know” where THEY took James, etc.
I read quotes saying if “If I didnt say that I wish that I had “…..thats not a strong denial.

You guys are stuck on thinking that “agreement” was one which would have been admitting “guilt”. My understanding is that it was a statement agreeing it would not be an acceptable practice in the future.

Its really simple: FOLLOW OUR ORDERS, EMPLOYEE. The employee may be ‘right’, but if he doesnt follow the directives he is being insubordinate. Its ideal to own your own business (team), but Leach didnt.

Why dont you guys take up a collection in an attempt to raise 12 million to settle this suit for Leach ? If each of you 54,000 would contribute just 225.00 —– its over !

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team leach, team leach, TEAM LEACH, TEAM LEACH the next time you drive around Lubbock you will see these Bill boards and you will see them on national tv,and Zach Thomas does not want any part of Tech now,Way to go Zach!!!!

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Bernie,

You are at least honest. The facts dont matter to you. You like Leach and hate Meyers. So try to petition that Meyers be fired. I understand that. Trying to punish Tech with a 12 million pay off HURTS TECH ..ALOT !! Do you “like’ that, or hate that ?

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Garyount

So now its ANYONE that doesnt want any part of Tech.. “way to go” ?

Fans of Tech ? I dont think so !! Cant you see where this thinking is going ?

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fire myers petition, 1484 signatures so far http://www.petitiononline.com/ttu12309/petition.html

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Sorry, for the possible disjointed entry, but the moderation filter attacked me again. Here is the first part of my posting: (hope it makes it through)

booster32,
First let me say, I do not hate you. I think that was an out of line statement by another in this blog. I do not agree with you but I do not hate my fellow Texas Tech Supports. We may not agree on the direction we need to take, but there is no reason to hate each other.

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Okay, first part made it through. I’ll try some more.

I do not believe Myers asked Leach to lie, but I do believe he is capable of asking him to make this problem go away by saying he is sorry to something he is not and should not be sorry for. End result, if he did apologize, it would be untrue, a lie. I do believe that, asuming Hance was involved in the document on “How To Handle an Injured Player,” he fell into his “it depends on what your definition of “is” is” poltical stand. I can VERY easily see him saying, “Just sign it and everything will be okay. You don’t really think you would get fired because of this do you?” That sounds an awful lot like how Satan tricked Adam and Eve. Based on the emails from last February, anything Sowell says would bring his ethics in question. I don’t believe all the Regents are dishonest, but I do question some of their intentions. I believe an independent, out of state group should investigate them.

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This moderation thing is a joke. I eliminated one “s” in as(s)uming and it went through.

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golfwoody – you are correct and most wise.

i’m for that happening.

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Here’s my question (primarily for booster32 though anyone can answer):

Egos aside (which makes this somewhat rhetorical, I know, as it certainly appears this entire event was a conflict of egos on all sides), why do you think the Tech administration would not let the restraining order go before the judge if they thought they were in the right? Could it be that the Administration was afraid that Coach Leach had legal basis to repeal the suspension … and that was an $800,000 risk they weren’t willing to take?

So, by rushing to fire Coach Leach without providing even an appearance of the 10-day due process provided for in his contract, the Administration was given a black eye … but had they allowed their suspension to be overturned they would also look like idiots. The old “cornered rats” scenario ….

What a victory by Coach Leach in the courts will do is identify the specific personalities that are the cancer to TTU. The University as an institution will come out just fine in my opinion.

The one major unknown in my mind is the actual start of the timeline that the Administration informed Coach Leach of their intention to terminate his employment. If the initial date was December 21st or earlier, a firing on the 31st might have been within their rights. Any time after the 21st, however, and I think they’re due to be taken behind the proverbial shed when the case goes to trial.

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32 ,Yes as long as the peoplethat started this fiasco, I have stated many times, Iam a Tech FAN and as ong as these people are inn charge and dont want to take resposibility for destroying a program that had a winning record,high graduation rate,, wheter you agree or not Leach ha s done a lot for this program and has gone to 10 bowl games, he gave people here in Lubbock hope and pride, he was able to take cast off playersthat noone really wanted, example, W es Welker and Joe Filani and Eric Morris and a host of others and make stars out of them, And Danny Armedola ,to boot,Coaches Like him come along once in a lifetime, He was railroaded, pure and simple , if people didnt think that way why would they stil be mad, corruption and greed, right and wrong, integrity and honor and loyalty, Ihave been a Tech Fan since Dewitt Weaver and have been a FAN through the good times and bad, ive been around and I do know the score and this mess is unprecedented, it is insane to the 9th. degree, ther is really no way to describe this fiasco and then you ask if Im a Red Raider , iam and will always be but there are times that you have to speak out and make a statement, Like Zach,and I will stand behind him and anyone else until these incompetents are gone..

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so here is what the university submitted to fire leach, letter of termination:
http://www.myfoxlubbock.com/news/local/story/leach-fired/c6RRhrS4rEKFUoBcE8UM6A.cspx

they say he was in breach of provisions in Article IV of his contract and fired him according to Article V,….. here is his contract:
http://www.myfoxlubbock.com/media/lib/146/f/5/e/f5e19634-6095-4608-aac5-2682ab15b3f6/LeachVsTTU_Motions.pdf

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Landing at Lbb;
I think you are right in your first paragraph scenario.
The Tech gang of 3 hadn’t had time to properly twist the arms of the affidavit people to include their own opinion on the facts they recited.

The trainer & doc were pro-leach to begin with, until the “signed & dated dec. 30th” ones were secured. And until Leach himself started saying things like – “I didn’t know where they had taken him except out of the light”.

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Wazoo,
Thank you for your kind words. I apprecite it.

To al lthe people on this blog – no matter how wrong I feel some of you are ( :-) , – it is a good blog and you are good people.

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notice the time line and the conflicting storys, the signing date dec.30th.and no witnesses and to top it off it was released right before the gameso that it could get maximum coverageby who, espn ,and they want people to continue beliving their lies,they say after awhile you actually begin beliving your own lies, what a croc

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Well folks looks like the big top is coming down for awhile, but there may be a late show, never know with this circus and dont listen to fox talk unless you want to puke, but thats only my opinion..

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team leach ads to air during saturday’s cowboy game!!!!!
http://www.kcbd.com/global/Story.asp?s=11792836

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I’m not sure what the purpose of “Team Leach” is, but you’ve got to know that Mike Leach will never return as the TTU football coach. At this point all he wants is money.

And I think any intentions you may have of ousting members of the administration and dragging this thing out will only hurt Tech in the long run. It’s like you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

“You fired my favorite coach, so I’m going to make sure the University suffers for it.”

Real smart.

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Jayess,
Not the case. We want ‘right’ to win out. It is my personal belief that Leach will not return no matter what, but I strongly believe the TTU leadership very badly mishandled this whole situation. Please read thorugh the 245 or so posts on this blog and you will get an idea of the variety of views pertaining to this situation.

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Go Mike Leach. Stick it to TT and especially to the James boys.

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