This “fraud” needs to be fired. He has the worst three losses in SCHOOL HISTORY….

What a cry baby !!

Again, Coach Pat Knight, please work on new methods for blocking out and rebounding in practice and then you will not have to depend on things you can’t control like the REFS !

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He can do anything he wants cause Geralds is still in Bobs pocket and would never have the guts to fire him.

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Texas A&M RPI Rating = 38

Texas Tech RPI Rating = 131

* I guess the refs also run the RPI Ratings as well so Coach Pat Knight can blame them for the sad Tech RPI rating.

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Fire Pat Knight….. then Fire Gerald Meyers.

THEN… if Gerald was such a great basketball coach, re-hire him as the basketball coach.

We could look forward to all the conference championships he won when he coached the Red Raiders. (or lack there of)

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For all of you asking for the firing of Pat Knight you need to let the man have a chance. 80% of the team was Bob Knight team not pats he has had one class that he recruited. Given Pat was in charge of recruiting but his dad had the final say. RPI and schedule are one in the same who made the schedule Bob Knight and Myers not Pat Knight. Give him three full years at the helm if nothing changes then you can call for termination. Until then give him a break he is trying. Plus instead of moaning on here why don’t you go to the game or take other people to the game and cheer on the teams(girls included)

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When will the Knight family grow up is the question. Their frequent temper- tantrums and outburst are embarrassing to Texas Tech and quite frankily outright childish.

Maybe tech should get a rebound once in a while. Wouldn’t that be something?

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I think the Big 12 should let the coach’s say what is on their minds at the press conferences. They can’t do anything without getting fined or suspended. I agree with Pat Knight. This is ridiculous there needs to be some changes in the rules for the Big 12.
I’m with you Coach Knight.

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You people asking for Knight to be fired are nuts! I WANT my coach to stand up for what is right…Big 12 officiating is PATHETIC!!!!!!! We could have very easity come from behind and won against the Aggies but were stymied by bizarre calls. Knight is right when he laments that the Big 12 doesn’t do anything about the officiating. I think at the end of the year the Big 12 should publish the report cards of each official, publicize the names of those who were dropped of the roll, and prove they mean business about good and cocsistent officiating. Knight is a class act, a good young coach and will have Tech back soon. Keep your head up and your mouth “OPEN” Pat.

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I cannot believe the first four comments posted here. Obviously, none of the authors watched the game very carefully. The problem is not letting coaches speak their minds about poor reffing as a method to improve it. The Big 12 seems far more interested in protecting the integrity of its poorer refs than in obtaining better quality officiating. My hat is off to Pat Knight. The lousy job by the refs on Saturday against the Aggies was absolutely pathetic and truly merited a chair toss, rather than mere verbal comments. My hat is off to Pat Knight. He knows what he doing. Just be patient — the program is headed in the correct direction.

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It does no good to hammer the officials in the media and it surely hurts the team. Wait, maybe not; someone else will be coaching the team in Austin, maybe Jennings!?

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I’ve been to several Lady Raiders games this season and went to my first men’s game of the season on Saturday. Never have I seen worse officiating than this year. I thought it was just the ref’s for the Ladies, but the officiating was TERRIBLE at Saturday’s game. It was astonishing. It’s not just bad calls against TTU teams — it’s bad all the way around. I think the Big 12 needs to take another look at its officiating team and make some adjustments before next year.

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Most conferences have this “don’t bang the officials in the media” rule and for good reason. It just throws gas on the fire for everyone to go off on the refs; fans, coaches, etc. There are good and not so good officials in every sport just like there are good and not so good coaches. I hardly think Tech is hav ing a bad year because of the officials. Maybe they were bad Saturday but I dare say that in some of their games, the other team has had it’s share of bad calls. If you get a speeding ticket for going 80 in a 70, don’t blame the cop! Change the rule but not by doing it at a press conference!!

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Robert, the point is simple, no coach can control the refs, but you can control your team with better practice.

I think more people would listen to Coach Knight scream about the officials, but the Aggies pounded Tech on the boards so it is irresponsible for any coach to cry when a stat like rebounding shows his team was out hustled.

How come no Tech fans cried when they beat OU on a “fantom” TD call at the one yard line ??

Short memory ??

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LJE are you kidding? Re Hire Gerald Myers? I didn’t like him when he coached Tech and I SURE didn’t like him when he coached Monterey H. S. Talk about BORING basketball. Give Pat Knight a chance. Rome wasn’t built in a day. I don’t condone blasting the officials but they should be held equally accountable as coaches. Why should referees be protected? It’s the kids that should be protected. We expect these kids to be molded into fine young women and men, yet the adults (referees) don’t always live by the same standards. The Big XII should be striving to have THE BEST and UNBIASED officiating at all times!!!! Step up Dan Beebe and help out ALL the kids not just the elite or your favorites.

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Real Deal,
First, Basketball Refs and Football Officials are completely different, as they call different sports. Fouls/penalties are assessed differently. Second, the “phantom” TD as you say it, was reviewed many times by the replay officials and upheld. Much different than the 34 fouls.

Yes we are aware Tech was beat in more than one facet of the game. However, a lot of the fouls were in error and absurd. This is Knight’s point.

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I thought the young men played good enough to win but the officialesdid not call the same on both ends.
Driscal

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[...] Originally Posted by cybsball20 What did he say? Knight suspended for one game : Red Raiders Following Saturday

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“real deal,” are you kidding me? You try to make a point with a “fantom” TD call? First of all, this is not football. Second of all, I can mail you a picture of the touchdown that proves it. Its even high quality…

I have noticed all year that the officiating in the Big 12 has been poor, and not just against Tech. It is pretty much all around. And Tech blocked out fine against a&m, a&m was just more physical and either pushed tech out of the way or jumped over the back. So maybe Tech should just be more physical, but how does the more physical team (a&m in this case) end up with half the fouls? And how do you call a foul when 5’9 Roberson gets a rebound against a 6’10 a&m player?

And if you do not support Tech basketball IN PERSON, at the games, and if you have not felt the atmosphere and the attitudes of the officials FIRT HAND, do not bash Texas Tech or its Coach.

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Coach Pat just needs about 8-10 more years seasoning here at Tech.

By then we’ll be back up into the middle of the pack – where Bobby had us.

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What most people don’t understand is that the Big 12 is not going to let any of their teams that have a chance to make the NCAA or the NIT tournaments get beat. They want as many as they can get to represent the Big 12. Tech men or women don’t have a chance for either one, so they are the whipping boy of the conference. It was this way in the Southwest Conference and it is still that way today. The offficials know the expectations before each game. They are hired by the conference and can be fired by the conference. If you want to keep your job, you know what to do.

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[...] Originally Posted by cybsball20 What did he say? Knight suspended for one game : Red Raiders Following Saturday

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My question is whether mr. or miss “real deal” is a Red Raider or someone who likes to get on other team’s websites to stir the pot. No true Red Raider that I know of thinks or questions that Henderson scored. The “Sooners” have been sneaking in since before the land rush, thus the name.
As for Dallas Techsan, if you are old enough to remember Gerald Myers coaching at Monterey , then you should know that was the way basketball was played back then. He won two conference and three or four conference tournament titles, all while having to sell Tech to recruits who would be playing in the hole they used to called the Lubbock Municipal Coliseum.

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I don’t like Pat Knight whatsoever, and think he needs to head down the road with Gerald in tow, but I will say this: the officiating in that game was the most ridiculous I’ve seen in some time, and I’ve officiated basketball for over 10 years!

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A coach should speak up for his team. I have seen lots of athletic contests, football and basketball, involving high school and college students. I have seen good officiating. I have seen some officials who probably couldn’t find their backsides with both hands,let alone knowing when to blow the whistle or throw a flag. However, coaches still have the responsibility to conduct themselves in a professional, responsible manner. Like it or not, they are leaders of young people. They need to set a good example.

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For at least one game, this is the best thing to happen to Tech basketball since Daddy Bob rode into Lubbock on a load of turnips.

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no doubt about it … the officiating at the A&M game was pathetic. While I may well have chosen some venue other than a post-game press conference to make that point, the fact that Pat Knight chose differently does not diminish the basic fact that the Big 12 officiating crew was not up to the task.

Don’t know what to do about it. Probably tell you kids that occasionally even the refs get it wrong and then get on the plane to Dallas and review the game film with the Commish personally.

No excuse for zebras taking over a game. They should be ashamed.

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Nobody has talked about the call or calls that Pat got the “T” for. first an A&M player went to the floor and held the ball while he slid across the floor. It should have been called a travel. Then going up for a rebound an A&M player went over the back of Roberson I believe and the A&M player hit the floor and they called Roberson for the foul. The refs sucked.

I like some things about Pat and some things I hope are first year coaching mistakes. He has some good players now and more coming next year. Tech will be better. Stick wiht them Raider fans.

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I am sure the Aggies had a few over the back calls go their way. I am also sure A&M’s line up is “bigger, faster, and stronger” than Tech’s.

Tech has slow big men, and athletically they don’t match up well against a physical team.

The “biased tv announcer” who also does Tech radio did not help the matters when he “whined” as well. However, the tv announcer said “A&M has success in games that are physical and low scoring.” In other words Tech had no chance.

At least Pat Knight was honest last year when A&M beat Tech by 40 and said “we had no chance.”

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I applaud what Knight did. The Big 12 has absolutely no credibility when it comes to officials. Has it ever admitted there has been an officiating mistate – NO! Other conferences have, but the Big 12 loses all credibility and creates a credibility gap by ignoring, or at least appearing to ignore, any and all problems with its officiating. Why are officials, as opposed to Presidents, CEOs and all of the rest of us beyond any criticism whatsoever. That is simply not a healthy way to encourage excellence.

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55 fouls for Tech and 20? for a and m? That right there says enough. Watched the game for about 5 min and it reminded me why I don’t watch basketball anymore.

One day the fans will not be detered by the security on the floor, come down in mass and surround the refs. What has our society come to when we can’t question obvious bias? That is why you are starting to see more and more ref’s busted for cheating and fixing games.

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The Red Raiders are 12-15 on the year. I think we have a bigger problem than the officiating!

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The Big XII does need to address some of these horrible officiating issues! The A&M game was one of the worst I have seen in a long time at any level of officiating.

However, a good coach adapts and overcomes with his team. The current level of the program is horrible right now. Don’t tell me all these great players are on the way and be patient. We heard that two years ago! We have some decent players but their confidence is shot at this point. The level of play is not very good and undisciplined. Too many poor shots and turnovers. Pat Knight wants to out talent the opponent and not out coach him. That does not work for Tech and he should know that. I will be patient; for the day we get a new coach who can coach.

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Also, as a sports official, I can attest to the fact that we give our best each and every time. We get paid no extra to favor one team over the other. What I will say is that in basketball, if one team is athletically better and more talented than the other, (Tech is 12-15, A&M is 19-8) it does make it more of a challenge to call a balanced game. The team with less talent usually tries to over compensate with more aggressive play, thus, resulting in more fouls, turnovers, etc…and you usually see the results that you saw in this game.

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If you recruit the kids & have for the last 7 years, don’t whine about lack of talent. At some point, coaches have to coach. Pat is incapable of coaching. He was handed this job as compensation to his dad. He has never been in a position of leadership before & he is a horrendous coach.

The worst is yet to come – when Tech does fire Pat (and they will) RMK will be all over ESPN bad mouthing Tech & West Texas.

If Gerald still cared about Tech, he would fire Pat, appoint Bubba interim coach & resign.

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Real Deal…. you need to go away…… A Tech fan would not bash the coach and program destructively………

if you are a Tech fan say something at least a little constructive instead of just everything trying to make these boards controversial………

go away……..

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we are 12-15. this is unacceptable and should not be tolerated by tech supporters. the key to basketball is recruiting more important than coaching. i think pat is putting together a nice recruiting class next year. Somehow he has mike davis out of wheatley in houston committed. This kid is wanted by everyone and can flat out play. he also has several other talented recruits orally committed. I say give pat another year to see if he can turn the corner. otherwise, we need to bring in someone who can compete in the upper tier of big 12 basketball.

Tech deserves better than 2-10 in conference.

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Don’t try to make your opinions based on what you see on TV or on biased announcers. Come to the games in person and see for yourself. You cannot fully understand the situation without being in the stands right next to the court. So maybe give these young men some support and raise their confidence by being in the stands and encouraging them. At least Pat Knight shows his support and passion for his players at the games.

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Love it! You inherited a complete loser…thus, the biggest conversation on the Raider boards is about officiating. Not even FAVORABLE officiating would make this a 0.500 team. Get a real coach, lose the Bobby hang-over, and maybe you won’t be a bottom-dweller in a year that the Big 12 is down on its luck.

If TT wants any national respect, it will let Knight move on.

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leave pat knight alone he and his dad are the only coaches at tech that gerald and hance want to reward for doing nothing and in pats case not even being qualified !!!!
If this were a mike leach team he would be getting fired at seasons end!!!

The knights will be at tech and us the fans will have to not only pay for nothing but suffer through it!!!!

congrats gerald u finnally got in the national spotlight its just to bad for u that they think u should be fired and evaluated !!!!

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It’s actually sad for Pat. He’ll suffer as an under-performer for his stint until he does something completely inappropriate – something that his dad would do – but without the wins, they’ll kick him to the curb. Lesson: you can be a complete piece of $#%t as a human being, as long as you win. Then, you can be mediocre, and coach until you hand the program over to your son at TT.

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From Joe:

I applaud what Knight did. The Big 12 has absolutely no credibility when it comes to officials. Has it ever admitted there has been an officiating mistate – NO! Other conferences have, but the Big 12 loses all credibility and creates a credibility gap by ignoring, or at least appearing to ignore, any and all problems with its officiating. Why are officials, as opposed to Presidents, CEOs and all of the rest of us beyond any criticism whatsoever. That is simply not a healthy way to encourage excellence.

AND I AGREE with Joe on this one. Coach Knight wasn’t my favorite person when he used to bad-mouth Lubbock (re: recruiting), but he is winning me over. (btw, His recruiting is steadily improving) . BUT, B12 Refs don’t call very many games fairly. There is obvious bias in nearly every game, no matter which teams are playing. IF they would just call things the same on both ends of the court, right or wrong, that would satisfy most of us.

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This is a fun board: Lubbick demands EXCELLENCE from Big 12 officials…not so much of the coach, but officials better be perfect!!! That’s a recipe for success if I’ve ever heard one. Go Raiders.

(might want to consider handing over hoops to Leach – he’s a winner, not a Knight)

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Agreed.
Show me the last time a team had 34 fouls called against them.

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Any of you see the KU-OU game? It was a Big 12 game; hard-fought by both teams and played at a high level. I didn’t see Self or Capel running out on the floor, griping about the officials. When you lump all refs together and say they don’t call games fairly, you are oblivious of a well-called game. Did the refs have a bad game here; maybe, maybe not, but for a coach to dwell on the officiating of one game when he’s trying to close out the season on a positive note and get ready for the Big 12 tourney, is really asinine!

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If Tech had scored 7 more points, all of you would be singing the praises of the refs!

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true fan, you’ve felt the “attitude… of the officials first hand”, i see. that’s a statement of paranoia or denial. the last time a team had 34 fouls called against it was the last time that a team was completely out-coached and out-manned. Then, they turn to fouling in order to deal with the inability to play sufficient defense or score without offensive fouls. pathetic – any time a group focuses this much on officiating, there’s clearly a case of denial relative to larger problems. Get rid of Knight for the sake of all of college basketball – Bobby Knight’s term is history, and it’s better for everyone that the Knight era comes to an end.

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Coach Pat- I agree the BIG 12 refs seem to lack credibility. The OU and KU game thankfully did not use the refs we had with A&M. Of course these two are at another level than us right now, so perhaps they get the better more experienced refs…..

Sorry you felt “YOU” had to do this for your guys coach. In a big sense I am right there with you, but are these guys really worth it? Will it be worth it by the end of this season or in two seasons? Maybe only your players can answer that, but they only have so much in the tank.

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Pat Knight should have appealed like Leach did, unless the Big 12 has closed that loop hole. Otherwise, while he appears to be a good recruiter, Pat’s teams are remarkably sloppy. But that still does not excuse referees DUKE EDSALL, KEVIN MATHIS AND TERRY DAVIS, or DAN BEEBE’S amateurish and rather childish handling of this situation. Did he not notice that A&M needed more than 50 free throws to win by 6 points?!? Instead of creating yet more dissension, a real commissioner in a real basketball conference would have addressed the officiating when announcing Knight’s suspension. By not doing so, Bebee runs the risk of further harming the Big 12′s reputation because dear old Daddy Knight will choose his moment to make it an issue on national television.
This is a lose-lose-lose situation. Pat can’t coach; the Three Stooges — Davis, Edsall and Mathis — can officiate; and Beebe can’t sell Amway.

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Typo alert — “the Three Stooges — Davis, Edsall and Mathis — CAN’T officiate.”

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I hope all of you will read your posts on this game after the season is over.

Lots more play to come, & the cream will rise to the top, and the crap fall to the bottom.

I predict you will be concentrating more on the Tech coach and players, and way less on the refs. Time will prove what was wrong with this game (and season).

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gezze!!!!!!!!! some guys sure will go to great lengths to get a day off!

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Coach Pat Knight = WORST THREE LOSSES IN SCHOOL HISTORY

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Coach Knight is standing up for his players and I support him. After we solve the officiating problem then we need to solve the problem with “fake deal” acting as if he is a Red Raider. Got to go I need to go to the Aggies site, or OU site to act as a supporter of theirs.

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I believe that coaches should have more freedom to speak their mind; though, Pat needs to focus on having a better team first. I can hardly watch the team this year. On the other hand, coaches need to be able to speak out when bad calls are made like in many of our football games against Texas. I still don’t know how the refs could have missed the two clips on the Texas run back for a touchdown, but at least we had Crabtree to offset the refs :)

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I have been a season ticket-holder since the very old days in the Coliseum. I have supported the team through thick & thin. However, I agree with the point that the Knights have been here 7 years and have been coaching the players that they recruited. Every year it was some excuse — too many juco players, too many freshmen or something else. I am a PSL holder this year, but don’t plan to re-up for 10 more years, or even one more. Look at the sparse crowds — and look at all of us “gray-haired” folks. Many of them won’t re-up either. For honesty, I wish the “actual” attendance would be announced — paint a truer picture of how many fans are really there — or maybe how many aren’t there. I concur with – Get Rid of Gerald! Coach Leach has done more to put Tech athletics on the map than anyone else — and he graduates players. He is normally “close-mouthed” about players – they may be off the team or benched, but he doesn’t air it in the papers, and players have worked their way back to starting positions. I hope better days are ahead for Tech basketball — some of my fondest memories are of attending the SWC tournament in Dallas and spending 3-4 days watching basketball with good friends and watching some good teams.

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First off, you idiots that want Coach Knight fired probably never set foot in the USA and don’t even support the team. So your comments are worthless. Second, the so called “officiating” in the Big 12 this year has been an embarassment to the profession. Not only is this apparent live and in person but also watching on TV as well. Even the commentators during the UT-A&M game the other night noted how poorly the game was officiated. The Big 12 conference needs to take a hard look at how they evaluate officials prior to hiring them. The current crews aren’t fit to officiate little dribblers game much less a Division 1 game. They have been a total disgrace. The coaches know it, the fans know it, and the players know it. This current type of “officiating” takes away from the fans enjoyment of the games and the coaches and players being able to compete in a fair and consistently called game. Yes, there will be mistakes made by the officials but with what we’ve witnessed this year, they appear more like personal vendettas than mistakes. Fans pay good money to watch these games and the players put in hours and hours of hard work and practice time and both are being screwed by the three stripped ones that have been incapable of officiating a fair and balanced game for all to enjoy.

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Coach Pat Knight = WORST THREE LOSSES IN SCHOOL HISTORY

I guess the refs are always to blame………………..for losers !!

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real deal – you must not have much going on in your life except to bash Pat Knight and Tech – get a real job and shut up. The officiating was horrible and some player is going to get hurt again if the refs don’t get things under control. You obviously are not an athlete and must not have kids that play sports. If you are so good, why don’t you get a job coaching and see how frustrating it is?

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real deal – then you must always blame the refs – as you say “…for losers!!!! “

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Obviously, if Tech continues playing with scrawny guys in the post they will get hurt. Those Tech big men are not strong enough to play in the Big 12.

If your only technique is to attempt to play physical basketball against bigger, stronger, and faster players you can expect to have more fouls called against you such as Tech.

Pat Knight = WORST THREE LOSSES IN TECH HISTORY

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Lots of comments and unfortunately I have not been to the arena for a basketball game this year. However, that doesn’t mean I don’t have an opinion.

Many years ago, at Oregon State the refs were referred to as “con men”. Nothing has changed–they are still “con men” only now they are covered by a complete security blanket. The want the players to accept responsibility for the foul, and they keep count, they want the coaches in a box and if not look out, and they want no public outcry from the coaches.

The basketball society needs to make some accountability for these “con men.” If they did then I am sure fewer coaches would feel compelled to complain. As it is now, few complaints and the results are made public and we have no way of knowing if anything positive has come of the complaint.

This is an issue that needs to be addressed and not just a gag order on the coaches. It doesn’t help that most of the commissioners site guys are ex refs and their fraternity is about as strong as the blue line. Good luck with them:

There seem to be a lot of bitterness and maybe it is justified. However, giving the Pat a year of two is not going to ruin the program and if he can succeed we can all take a deep breath. In the meantime I am with the coach and appauld him for have the moral course to stand up for what most of your belief was a rottenly officiated game.

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